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UN FINDS WMD...OK saddam lovers, what now?

by dolphman in

ok lets hear your pathetic excuses.

c'mon now don't be shy.

let's hear what you have to say.

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Yeru,

Thanks for providing that link - these two paragraphs in that same link say it all!

OIL
Iraq contains 112 billion barrels of proven oil reserves, the second largest in the world (behind Saudi Arabia) along with roughly 220 billion barrels of probable and possible resources. Iraq's true resource potential may be far greater than this, however, as the country is relatively unexplored due to years of war and sanctions. Deep oil-bearing formations located mainly in the vast Western Desert region, for instance, could yield large additional oil resources (possibly another 100 billion barrels), but have not been explored. Iraq's oil production costs are amongst the lowest in the world, making it a highly attractive oil prospect.

It is important to note that Iraq generally has not had access to the latest, state-of-the-art oil industry technology (i.e., 3D seismic), sufficient spare parts, and investment in general throughout most of the 1990s, but has instead reportedly been utilizing questionable engineering techniques (i.e., overpumping, water injection/"flooding") and old technology to maintain production. There is also some evidence that Iraq may have damaged its oil reservoirs through use of such techniques and through lack of sufficient investment over a lengthy period of time. Iraq's Oil Minister, Amir Rashid, indicated in early 2002 that only 24 of 73 Iraqi oil fields were producing. Recently, oil consulting firm Saybolt International pointed out the risk of a 5%-15% annual decline in production capacity at (possibly ) damaged Iraqi oil fields.

Seriously dude, if the USA could get Sadaam out of there and somehow take over the oil, we'd be SET. You don't think this is on Bush's mind at ALL?? C'mon...why WOULDN'T Bush be interested in the oil there? We don't have any here, he's not pursuing alternate energy, we need oil from other places. We're going to attack the country with HUGES amounts of a resource we need, and NOT think about their oil? That makes absolutely NO SENSE AND YOU KNOW IT. Please tell me why you refuse to think this has anything to do with oil cuz I'm trying to see your point and I just can't.

In this nation that has the most free press in the whole world, who is behind feeding us "propoganda?"

Here's your answer:

http://progressiveliving.org/media_essay.htm

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NBC	General Electric Co. (13th largest "donor" to the Bush campaign)	Allied Signal Inc , American Stores Co, Anheuser-Busch Co Inc, Baxter International Inc, Bristol-Myers Squibb Co (fourth largest "donor" to the Bush campaign), Champion International Corp, Chase Manhattan Corp, Chubb Corp, Citicorp (as Citigroup seventh largest "contributor" to the Bush campaign), Exxon Corp (as Exxon Mobil the 11th largest "donor" to the Bush campaign), Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co, J. P. Morgan & Co Inc, Kellog Co, Kimberly-Clark Corp, Mellon Foundation, PepsiCo Inc (22nd largest "donor" to the Bush campaign), Philip Morris Inc (second largest "donor" to the Bush campaign), Quaker Oats Co, Stanley Works, Textron Inc, Washington Post Co (for other connections with, for example, Microsoftthe third largest "donor" to the Bush campaignsee the NBC web site)
Viacom Inc.	Viacom Inc.	AlliedSignal Inc , Avnet Inc, Bear Stearns Co Inc, Duke Power Co, Melville Corp, Nynex Corp, Orange & Rockland Utilities Inc
ABC	The Walt Disney Co. (23rd largest "donor" to the Bush campaign)	America West Airlines Inc, Bank America Corp, Federal Express Corp, Florida Progress Corp, Hilton Hotels Corp, K-Mart Corp, Mitchell Energy & Development, Northwest Airlines Corp, Pacific Enterprises Inc, Unum Corp, Xerox Corp
CNN	AOL-Time Warner Inc. (8th largest "donor" to the Bush campaign)	Allstate Corp, America West Airlines Inc, American Express Co, American International Group Inc, Aon Corp, Becton, Dickinson & Co, Chevron Corp (as Chevron Texaco the 19th largest "donor" to the Bush campaign), Citicorp (see above), Colgate-Palmolive Co, Cummins Engine Co Inc, Dell Computer Corp, Foundation Health Corp, Genentech Inc, Illinova Corp, Inland Steel Industries Inc, Kellogg Co, K-Mart Corp, Mobil Corp (see above), Olsten Corp, Philip Morris Inc (second largest "donor" to the Bush campaign), Sears Roebuck & Co, Springs Industries, Sunbeam Corp, Triarc Co Inc, Turner Broadcasting System Inc, WHX Corp
CBS	Westinghouse Electric Co.	Aetna Life and Casualty Co, Ashland Inc, BDM International Inc, Banc One Corp, Bell Atlantic Corp, Campbell Soup Co, Cardinal Health Inc, Chase Manhattan Corp, Columbia HCA Healthcare Corp, Dell Computer Corp, Dow Jones & Co Inc, Duracell International Inc, General Dynamics Corp, Gillette Co, Harcourt General Inc, Kaman Corp, MBIA Inc, Melville Corp, Pharmacia & Upjohn Inc, Prudential Insurance Co of America, Quaker Oats Co, Phone-Poulenc Rorer Inc, Rockwell International Corp, Sun Co Inc, Union Pacific Corp, Wal-Mart Stores Inc, Warnaco Group Inc, Warner-Lambert Co, Westinghouse Foundation
Fox	The News Corporation, Ltd. (12th largest "donor" to the Bush campaign)	Bankers Trust New York Corp, Bayou Steel Corporation, Global Asset Management USA Inc, Hudson General Corporation, MCI Communications, News America Holdings Inc, News American Publishing Inc, News International PLC, Sesac Inc, Times Newspapers Holding Ltd, 20th Century Fox

Their investments are diversivied for the express purpose of them not being able to favor the industries in which their money is invested.

You honestly believe that? They don't stay president forever either.

Freeman, I guess I see your point. You're too funny. :-)

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I WAN'T TO COME BACK TO THE TRUTH.....!

by rich_1961 in

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hello everyone.my name is richard and i would like to come back to the truth.i never did get baptized so im not disfellowshiped.my family are still all in the truth,and there lives are so much better than mine.satan has taked over my life completly.and ive had enough.i want to turn my life around and ask jehovah to come back into my heart.i have a very serious drug and alcohol problem.and do not want to live my life like this anymore.i know my life will get better if i let jehovah back in.im just scarred right now.i sill have a little deamon that keeps telling me not to do this.but i really want to.i sure could use some words of encouragement if anyone would like to help i sure would apriciate it.and does anyone know if i can get publcations online...?

my e-mail addy is [email protected] if anyne would like to e-mail me

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Rich,

you were either in the wrong congergation.or you have a problem with jws in general

Shouldn't all the congregations be the same? Is the congregation she referred to going to die at Armeggedon?

Good luck in your recovery. Be assured that there are numerous people here that can relate to you and assist you. These people have something here to offer to you that the Witnesses can't - A WELL-ROUNDED VIEWPOINT. You were right, there are a lot of nice people in the organization, however the thing they lack is that a lot of them have only been exposed to the JW culture the majority of their life. Their answer for everything is based on information they read amongst the Society's publications. It stands to reason that if the Society, being imperfect humans, ever got a bit of information incorrect, the whole organization would be taught the wrong thing. You must realize that in life it is an absolute necessity to CROSS REFERENCE MATERIAL to get to the real answer. For example, people go to several doctors to get several diagnosis on what is possibly wrong with them. You would think one doctor would be enough because they all study the same course to graduate, right?

All I'm saying is don't slam the door shut on anyone who offers suggestions that differ from what is taught in the Kingdom Hall. In order to find out the truth, one must challenge the huge amount of facts, philosophies, principles, etc out there to gain a REAL accurate knowledge of the world and religion. You can't just take what the Catholics tell their people, or what the Mormons tell their people, etc. as FACT and LAW, because obviously these organizations have an agenda to support and they WILL taint information in a way to support their cause. I'm sorry Rich but Jehovah's Witnesses are guilty of this as well, and there is PLENTY of evidence to support that.

As everyone has already stated, please get professional help with your alcohol and drug problems. Please don't think that your problem is a result of you not going to the meetings, because tons of people have left the organization or never even been a part of the organization and don't have those problems. I walked away from the Headquarters in Brooklyn - yes, i've tried drugs before, yes I drink occasionally, but I have no addictions whatsoever and I'm a very happy person as well. So yeah...get help from professionals who help people like you as a living and also because their heart is into it.

Good luck my friend.

Cheers,

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Peace March around the World

by JH in

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i watched the news on tv, and i saw reports of thousands of people all around the world asking for peace instead of war.

do you think that these peace rallies will really make a difference?.

do you think that these peace rallies will influence the president of the united states?

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Roybatty:

Just wondering what all of these people who don't want the USA to act against Iraq and North Korea want to see before they'll ok military action. Do these people understand that the goal is to NOT allow Iraq to get a WMD and to stop NK from making more????
My God what has to happen first, a nuke attack on the US where millions of people die? Don't people understand that this is what dozens of countries around the world would love to see? Screw them! Act now Mr. Bush and stop future terrorists from getting their hands on WMD.

The rally had nothing to do w/ N. Korea. N. Korea is obviously a bigger threat seeing they have a nuclear plant in function and have removed the U.N. cameras from the area. HELLO. I feel they pose a bigger threat than Sadaam right now and I don't understand why the US has all of their focus and attention on Iraq when this is going on. Oh wait, yeah....that obviously proves there's something more to this war than "Sadaam is evil." Can't find WMD but I know he has them! All the while another country is telling us they're making them (more or less) and we want a "diplomatic, non-violent solution" for them...??? Bass-ackwards if you ask me. I know a lot more is at stake in regards to N. Korea, but still...postpone the Iraq thing and focus on the real threat - this should of been worked out already - what are they waiting for? How long do you allow N.K. to have the plant in operation - it only takes weeks for them to install the nuclear rods and get the thing ready to enrich uranium. Bush should be all over that issue but no...he's focused on his personal vandetta. What's going to prevent N. Korea from making a nuke and selling it to Iraq during the war?! If America were to get nuked, I doubt seriously you'd be able to trace it to Iraq.

Knowing our justice system, we'd blame it on Iraq though. Shoot, 15 of the 19 terrorists on the 9/11 attacks from SAUDI ARABIA yet we blamed Osama. GO FIGURE. (Somebody PLEASE tell me I'm not the only one that thinks 9/11 smells fishy). Something happens, Bush blames it on whoever he doesn't like, and instantly the whole world believes him. Now that is power. The threat since 9/11 has been from Al-Qaeda, and the major threat to security in this country is STILL Al-Qaeda, so what blowing up Iraq has to do with that is beyond me. Sadaam encourages suicide bomber families - so what - blowing up his country is not going to stop suicide bombers in Palestine and Israel. Notice there haven't even been that many recently.

Do these people understand that the goal is to NOT allow Iraq to get a WMD

So I thought he already HAS WMD - oh, now we don't want him to GET any...I see. You're so hungry to blow something up you can't even get your supporting facts straight. Sickening.

To restate what has been stated several times already, and what most pro-war people still fail to comprehend (how don't ask me) is that people simply WANT TO SEE MORE EVIDENCE. That's all. That's why the U.N. inspectors are barging into peoples homes in the middle of the night - you know Bush is cussing them out telling them to find evidence or else! :-) Wouldn't surprise me. I gaurantee you evidence will be found - how credible it will be will probably be debatable. Nobody is asking our military to sit back with their thumbs up their ass and do nothing and wait for anyone to blow us up. Just show more proof! What the hell is wrong for wanting more proof? These are the REAL people that totally understand that this country WOULD and WILL fight an unjust war based on the premise that "we're in imminent danger from Sadaam" and they would rather not support a country that will kill innocent civilians over a false premise. And this is the support we get from fellow Americans!

Show more proof and this is a mute issue. Powell said he had pictures that showed proof - release the suckers - let the world see the proof! But no....I haven't seen any pictures, and I've read nothing further about those pictures. Show them to the U.N. for christ sake.

The American culture typically likes to fight. Look at the movies - nobody wants to see a movie where there's no fighting - negotiate - what?? What's that mean? That would be a boring movie. Show me blood and gore. Hence you have Terminator movies, Alien, Fight Club, Lethal Weapon, Blade, James Bond, etc etc et-frikkin-c....fight fight fight. Guns and bombs, guns and bombs.

At the SF protest yesterday, a lady from Iraq got on the mike and basically told the USA to "f*%k off." She went off saying they don't need our help, don't want our help, leave them the hell alone. They can take care of their own problems. *shrugs* Take it for whatever you want, I just found that quite interesting.

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Peace March around the World

by JH in

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i watched the news on tv, and i saw reports of thousands of people all around the world asking for peace instead of war.

do you think that these peace rallies will really make a difference?.

do you think that these peace rallies will influence the president of the united states?

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you don't want to hear what i have to say about 9/11, and you obviously didn't understand what I said above. We instigate, they react. What would provoke you to give your life to fly a plane into one of their buildings? I'm too tired to argue the whole 9/11 thing, but do yourself a favor and open-mindly research all the happenings of the weeks leading up to 9/11 and shortly thereafter. Research where the anthrax was traced to. Find out what stocks were sold days before the attack. Whatever happened to trying to find out if the White House knew before the attack, eh? There's a ton of evidence that should leave big questions in your head as to if the public was told the truth about this event. And do yourself a favor and don't believe everything you hear on CNN for christ sake - what does it take for people to understand the government controls the media?? Do you not realize that they can do whatever they damn well please, and then tell the media what to report and they'll do it??? You're the type that would rather sit back and be told what's going on rather than research and find out the TRUTH for yourself. Don't become victim to the PROPAGANDA.

I made no mention of WWII, only the problems in the middle east, thank you.

There's no point in even arguing with close-minded, racist people anymore. I just realized there's a lot of similarities in Americans and Muslims. They both think their leaders are the best, and that God is behind them, when in all actuality their leaders are as evil as evil gets. You think Bush is a saint, eh? You just wait and see. I know evil when I see it, and that man is EVIL. By ones fruit you shall know him, right?

The whole world is wicked and is lying in the power of the wicked one. I never knew how true that scripture was until recently.

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Peace March around the World

by JH in

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friends

i watched the news on tv, and i saw reports of thousands of people all around the world asking for peace instead of war.

do you think that these peace rallies will really make a difference?.

do you think that these peace rallies will influence the president of the united states?

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Francois, those things are going to come to this country as a RESULT of the war. Hello - our own government is responsible for the anthrax outbreak in 2001! We keep getting involved in Middle East affairs, they develop more and more hatred for us. If we'd stay over here and mind our own damn business none of this would be happening.

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UN FINDS WMD...OK saddam lovers, what now?

by dolphman in

ok lets hear your pathetic excuses.

c'mon now don't be shy.

let's hear what you have to say.

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Freeman, actually I would have to say you are mistaken. Aztec did not state "immediate profit," she said "profit." Note she referred to profiting from WAR (Bush is affiliated with arms company) and "the controlled flow of Iraqi oil." That may mean taking a loss in the interim, but what he desires is control over the oil, which in the long run would more than likely translate to profit for him.

:-)

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UN FINDS WMD...OK saddam lovers, what now?

by dolphman in

ok lets hear your pathetic excuses.

c'mon now don't be shy.

let's hear what you have to say.

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Yeru,

First please provide the link from where you gleamed that info.

Secondly, the reason the USA is not profiting from the oil now is reason why Bush would love to get control over that region - so they can make a profit! You think it'll all be the same after the war? Pa-LEEZ!

Ummm, when the native americans were first being wiped out it was the british settlers doing it, they weren't americans yet. We americans learned it from you.

It doesn't matter who we learned it from. C'mon dude - just because they murdered millions of Indians does not make it okay for us to do the same thing - what kind of twisted reasoning is that?

Remember too that as President and Vice President all their stocks have been sold and reinvested by a blind trust. Bush and Cheney neither one have ANY IDEA where their money is at. Damn, why be bothered with details when making accusations.

Where's the proof? You're trying to tell me a multi-millionaire has no idea where his money is? People like that don't keep money very long. Again, seeing is believing. But even so, the mere fact they have stock in the company is all the evidence needed - they know that if the stock price goes up, so does their personal gain. It's a no-brainer here...

Edited by - back2dafront on 18 January 2003 19:7:46

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Would You Marry A Person Of A Different Race?

by minimus in

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yes....no.....why??

?

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Two crack babies and two stolen cars later, she's still married to him and plans to get back with him just as soon as he get out of the pen. Users come in all colors and they suck.

Valis, I'm glad you can look at it like that even after what the parents were afraid of happening happened. I'm sure they like to say it's because he's black, but it's SO not a black thing. There's tons of losers in all races - you just gotta learn how to weed them out. You've got your thug, pimp-like Bobby Browns and you have your trashy Kid Rock's, none of which I'd want my daughter to get interested in. But if daughter liked someone like Denzel or Antonio Banderas....that's cool. Just gotta teach them what to look for in a prospectful mate of any color, that being a responsible person with values and high moral ethics. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of women go for the "bad boy" image like Tommy Lee and there's not much anyone can do but hope and pray they don't live to regret it.

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WHAT SHUD HAPPEN TO THE PILOTS..........

by Mary in

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what do you think should happen to the two american pilots who fired on and killed the 4 canadians over in afganistan last year in the friendly fire incident?

this is a hard one.

as a canadian, i fully support the usa and obviously this disaster was not intentional and i'm sure the pilots must feel awful about it.

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Yeru,

I think you missed the moral of my story. The moral is that anyone who takes another persons life, whether it be by purpose or by accident, is liable. That's the law. Granted involuntary manslaughter is not as serious of a crime as murder, but it is still something that has to be done for the sake of justice.

Also, I never said it was the pilots fault - read again:

Whether or not it's the pilots fault or the commanders - that's what needs to be determined. One of the two needs to be held accountable

If it's the commanders fault, penalize them.

If it's the air controllers fault, penalize them.

etc. etc. etc.

From the excerpt that Valis posted, it sounds like it's the controllers fault, even though it was probably a simple slip of the tongue. Very unfortunate.

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Would You Marry A Person Of A Different Race?

by minimus in

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yes....no.....why??

?

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Coming from a black man who is practically engaged to a white girl, I do NOT view white women as "the ultimate." Not to say other black guys are the same - just speaking for myself. I've never had any black friends express that ideology either though. I've been interested in several nationalities before, white just happens to be the one that has hit home finally. I think sometimes white women may take advantage of black guys - unfortunate, but I'm sure it has happened before. However I doubt very seriously this goes on in the majority of inter-racial relationships. I think SOME white guys take advantage of Asian women as well, but again I wouldn't say it's a generalization of all caucasian/asian relationships.

Don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.

Inter-racial couples recieve hard times in areas that are not culturally diverse. I would strongly advise anyone to take that into consideration - not that it would necessarily change your mind, but it is something to prepare for.

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