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  Asylum Caravan

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  alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

  i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

  it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

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  Interesting post truth_b_known. Some of those things are the types of information I was looking for but didn't even think to look for.
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  Asylum Caravan

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  alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

  i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

  it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

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  I tend to look at things in a utilitarian way. It seems like thousands of immigrants coming at once would take a lot of resources to process, house, feed, care for their health, etc. with little in return. Some seem to see the US as the Jesus of the world, the savior that can cure all of the ills, while at the same time demonizing the country. It's a weird dichotomy.

  If we have to take in all of these people, how many more will come? Can our society handle all of that financially? What about integrating all of these people in, finding them work and schools and such?

  Compassion is a beautiful thing. Taken too far it becomes codependency, which is unhealthy.

  I look around at all of the problems we have taking care of our own. If my family struggles and you bring me a pack of kids to adopt, adoption being a noble thing in theory, it could be disastrous.

  I know as a white male I'm the devil to some just like immigrants are the devil to others, but all of that is bullshit to me and secondary to the utility of all of this, the practicality. Where does it stop? Why have borders become so evil in our culture? Boundaries can be a very healthy thing. I guess I just feel like we need to work on ourselves as a country before we take in others.
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  Asylum Caravan

  by dubstepped in

  1. social
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  alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

  i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

  it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

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  I did kind of wonder what they needed asylum from, if it was some sort of war or genocide or something. It sounds like it's more personal preference, wanting to live where it's better. I can understand that, but if too many people do that it's no longer better, or so it would seem.

  When it comes to people that are born here, it seems like they should get to stay. I'm not sure I agree with sending them back to a country they have no relationship with.

  That whole minuteman situation sounds like a bunch of people just looking for a fight. That doesn't sound like a good idea.

  I'm still left wondering where this caravan started, what or who was behind its formation. It still seems curious to me.
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  Asylum Caravan

  by dubstepped in

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  alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

  i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

  it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

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  I believe Captain Schmideo is shunning us for having differing beliefs or maybe me for asking questions. Interesting. Emotion gets so highly tied up in this stuff. I would rather have heard his side, presented in a logical manner, as that's why I started the thread asking questions. To me this all seems strange. I've never heard of these caravans before and the timing seems interesting. Maybe the media coverage is all that's really different.

  I don't know, but it would be interesting to hear from a more liberal view what this is all about without people shutting down or just poo-pooing a discussion of it. If you don't like it, bring some well thought out balance to the discussion.
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  Asylum Caravan

  by dubstepped in

  1. social
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  alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

  i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

  it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

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  @thegirlnextdoor - Interesting to know that these caravans have happened for decades. What is the usual response? Let them all in, turn them away, something else?
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  Asylum Caravan

  by dubstepped in

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  alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

  i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

  it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

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  @Simon - Lol at that interview. Watch what you ask.

  To be fair, Sir82 says they can't reach the border in time. I did see that they have had issues slowing them down from the Mexican government to kids getting lost to issues between people in the group. Maybe they won't get to the border on time but it still seems stunt-y (is that a word).

  I don't usually post political stuff but enjoy reading. I like to stay somewhat ignorant and then ask questions that are sincere and see where things go and learn along the way, research things off of that, etc.
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  Asylum Caravan

  by dubstepped in

  1. social
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  alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

  i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

  it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

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  Okay, I didn't know how far away they were which is why I'm asking. But do you not think that it's already causing a stir that is causing a response that is impacting people that vote? I'm already seeing things on social media and people using it as a tool to promote their views and their side. You need not be knocking on the door to make a point, right?
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  Asylum Caravan

  by dubstepped in

  1. social
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  alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

  i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

  it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

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  Alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the States right at election time seeking asylum? I'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative? It's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc. This is just too weird. I just read an article where they were essentially offered asylum, jobs, education, etc. in Mexico but of course they turned that down.

  Is this just a political stunt? If so that's disgusting, exploiting people for political gain. Or is this another country trying to interfere in our elections? Or Democrats? Is it somehow Republicans (not sure how that would work)?

  Any insights on this, opinions, or general discussion? I don't remember seeing this talked about and I may be early as the caravan is still a bit away from here, but what's up with it? I'd be interested to hear people's views instead of emotional memes on Facebook.
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  TV TRAILER: ‘Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath: The Jehovah’s Witnesses' Two Hour Special Event - A&E

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  tv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.

  didn't see a post about it yet.

  will you be tuning in?

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  @Scenic Viewer - Yep, looks like Fifth to me. I don't know anyone else but I don't watch a lot of Youtube videos. Most that I've actually watched are from him. Nice to see him on the panel.
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  TV TRAILER: ‘Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath: The Jehovah’s Witnesses' Two Hour Special Event - A&E

  by MaybeSo in

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  tv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.

  didn't see a post about it yet.

  will you be tuning in?

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  Lol morphs law! Kind of? Are we obligated to love anything branded “ex jw” or “anti witness”? Are we obligated to support llyod because hes “on our team”? Of course some have a problem with the show picking him as a spokesperson. He has zero credibility.

  Where did I say any of that? Where did I say that nobody could have issue with it? I simply said that it is pretty weak to point out one guy and try to denigrate the entire show based on that one guy. Maybe your fragile ego can make another "law" and name it after yourself for whatever that is.

  None.
  He started off by trying to “steal shine” from ray franz by sticking his name on copies of CoC.
  Then he outs faders on facebook just to make his page look important with a lot of followers.
  He then writes a book and, in a scam tom sawyer would have been proud of, he charges people to have their stories included. Literally charges people to help him write his redundant, useless, pointless, self aggrandizing book.
  He recently tried to take credit for leaks coming from the annual meeting. The probem was, he plagiarized it from a paradoy gorby wrote and so was completetly wrong. When caught, he gave a lame ass excuse. Dumbass.
  Seems like theres another reason not want to want him on a show accusing the org of lax child protection policies..
  oh yea, hes an admitted pedo(ish) himself. In his own book.

  I didn't realize this post was entitled "Let's collaborate on a laundry list of Lloyd Evans' shortcomings". Who knew? What you quoted from me was not in any form me propping Lloyd up.

  thats the asshat you think is a good representative of ex jw’s? Rick Feron would have been more credible. Barbra has ACTUAL credentials as a former bethelite and activist. There were better choices than the douchiest doche to ever douche.
  But anyone who criticizes him is a bad guy? Think Mcfly, think.

  Where did I say that anyone who criticizes him is a bad guy? Again, check your fragile ego before telling someone else to think. I didn't realize we were taking votes here on names of who should be on the show. I could have nominated Barbara as well. You just rambled on incoherently with a laundry list of points arguing against something that wasn't argued. I know that's your modus operandi, but maybe save it for someone else there chief. Your bull in a china shop act is tired. I don't care to argue on and on.
  
  I know that any mention of Lloyd sends you into a blind rage but save that for someone that cares. I don't have anything to do with his past. I do know that he helps a lot of people. That's good. It seems like he's done a lot of bad too. Okay, that is a shame and maybe he did something to you personally to evoke such responses, I don't know. I didn't pick the dude for the show.