Posts by dubstepped

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Asylum Caravan

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alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

I believe Captain Schmideo is shunning us for having differing beliefs or maybe me for asking questions. Interesting. Emotion gets so highly tied up in this stuff. I would rather have heard his side, presented in a logical manner, as that's why I started the thread asking questions. To me this all seems strange. I've never heard of these caravans before and the timing seems interesting. Maybe the media coverage is all that's really different.

I don't know, but it would be interesting to hear from a more liberal view what this is all about without people shutting down or just poo-pooing a discussion of it. If you don't like it, bring some well thought out balance to the discussion.

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Asylum Caravan

by dubstepped in

alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

dubstepped

@thegirlnextdoor - Interesting to know that these caravans have happened for decades. What is the usual response? Let them all in, turn them away, something else?

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Asylum Caravan

by dubstepped in

alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

dubstepped

@Simon - Lol at that interview. Watch what you ask.

To be fair, Sir82 says they can't reach the border in time. I did see that they have had issues slowing them down from the Mexican government to kids getting lost to issues between people in the group. Maybe they won't get to the border on time but it still seems stunt-y (is that a word).

I don't usually post political stuff but enjoy reading. I like to stay somewhat ignorant and then ask questions that are sincere and see where things go and learn along the way, research things off of that, etc.

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Asylum Caravan

by dubstepped in

alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

dubstepped

Okay, I didn't know how far away they were which is why I'm asking. But do you not think that it's already causing a stir that is causing a response that is impacting people that vote? I'm already seeing things on social media and people using it as a tool to promote their views and their side. You need not be knocking on the door to make a point, right?

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Asylum Caravan

by dubstepped in

alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?

i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?

it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.

dubstepped

Alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the States right at election time seeking asylum? I'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative? It's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc. This is just too weird. I just read an article where they were essentially offered asylum, jobs, education, etc. in Mexico but of course they turned that down.

Is this just a political stunt? If so that's disgusting, exploiting people for political gain. Or is this another country trying to interfere in our elections? Or Democrats? Is it somehow Republicans (not sure how that would work)?

Any insights on this, opinions, or general discussion? I don't remember seeing this talked about and I may be early as the caravan is still a bit away from here, but what's up with it? I'd be interested to hear people's views instead of emotional memes on Facebook.

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TV TRAILER: ‘Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath: The Jehovah’s Witnesses' Two Hour Special Event - A&E

by MaybeSo in

tv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.

didn't see a post about it yet.

will you be tuning in?

dubstepped

@Scenic Viewer - Yep, looks like Fifth to me. I don't know anyone else but I don't watch a lot of Youtube videos. Most that I've actually watched are from him. Nice to see him on the panel.

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TV TRAILER: ‘Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath: The Jehovah’s Witnesses' Two Hour Special Event - A&E

by MaybeSo in

tv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.

didn't see a post about it yet.

will you be tuning in?

dubstepped

Lol morphs law! Kind of? Are we obligated to love anything branded “ex jw” or “anti witness”? Are we obligated to support llyod because hes “on our team”? Of course some have a problem with the show picking him as a spokesperson. He has zero credibility.

Where did I say any of that? Where did I say that nobody could have issue with it? I simply said that it is pretty weak to point out one guy and try to denigrate the entire show based on that one guy. Maybe your fragile ego can make another "law" and name it after yourself for whatever that is.

None.
He started off by trying to “steal shine” from ray franz by sticking his name on copies of CoC.
Then he outs faders on facebook just to make his page look important with a lot of followers.
He then writes a book and, in a scam tom sawyer would have been proud of, he charges people to have their stories included. Literally charges people to help him write his redundant, useless, pointless, self aggrandizing book.
He recently tried to take credit for leaks coming from the annual meeting. The probem was, he plagiarized it from a paradoy gorby wrote and so was completetly wrong. When caught, he gave a lame ass excuse. Dumbass.
Seems like theres another reason not want to want him on a show accusing the org of lax child protection policies..
oh yea, hes an admitted pedo(ish) himself. In his own book.

I didn't realize this post was entitled "Let's collaborate on a laundry list of Lloyd Evans' shortcomings". Who knew? What you quoted from me was not in any form me propping Lloyd up.

thats the asshat you think is a good representative of ex jw’s? Rick Feron would have been more credible. Barbra has ACTUAL credentials as a former bethelite and activist. There were better choices than the douchiest doche to ever douche.
But anyone who criticizes him is a bad guy? Think Mcfly, think.

Where did I say that anyone who criticizes him is a bad guy? Again, check your fragile ego before telling someone else to think. I didn't realize we were taking votes here on names of who should be on the show. I could have nominated Barbara as well. You just rambled on incoherently with a laundry list of points arguing against something that wasn't argued. I know that's your modus operandi, but maybe save it for someone else there chief. Your bull in a china shop act is tired. I don't care to argue on and on.

I know that any mention of Lloyd sends you into a blind rage but save that for someone that cares. I don't have anything to do with his past. I do know that he helps a lot of people. That's good. It seems like he's done a lot of bad too. Okay, that is a shame and maybe he did something to you personally to evoke such responses, I don't know. I didn't pick the dude for the show.

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TV TRAILER: ‘Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath: The Jehovah’s Witnesses' Two Hour Special Event - A&E

by MaybeSo in

tv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.

didn't see a post about it yet.

will you be tuning in?

dubstepped

@Simon - seems like we see it much the same but maybe come to different conclusions. It's not my dime or my time so if they can do it and help someone, that's awesome in my book. I will enjoy it myself, so it will help me on some level. Heck, I love watching people speak out and take the Borg to task, it just feels good as people that were silenced to see others speaking out. It doesn't sound like it may be your thing and that's cool too. No show appeals to every audience.

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TV TRAILER: ‘Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath: The Jehovah’s Witnesses' Two Hour Special Event - A&E

by MaybeSo in

tv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.

didn't see a post about it yet.

will you be tuning in?

dubstepped

@Simon - Do you think that those that have watched and really made Leah's show popular to date are ex-Scientoligists then?

I'm sure that a lot of people that watch these shows are ex something, but I know quite a few people that watch simply because it's fascinating to learn about new things, and many people knew very little about Scientology that now know a lot and can warn others. I trust that the same will be true with the JWs. That stuff is viral too in that one educated person can educate another that needs it.

(sorry, I'd quote the last part of your reply but it's annoying on my phone)

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TV TRAILER: ‘Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath: The Jehovah’s Witnesses' Two Hour Special Event - A&E

by MaybeSo in

tv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.

didn't see a post about it yet.

will you be tuning in?

dubstepped

As to the inoculation effect I can only say that on my podcast, which has far less reach than Leah's show, I've had people reach out in emails telling me how much they appreciated knowing more about what JWs are really like. This show will just be another outlet, another voice, another time, and will no doubt help inoculate at least some of the public. If this jackass sitting in his basement on a mic can do so, surely she can at a greater level.

People still advertise that they do windows or roofing or whatever. Why bother, since we all know how to find such companies? Because the right message at the right time brings in some customers, not all, but more than you had to start.

People will still become JWs. The goal can't be to prevent everyone everywhere from doing so. But it will help some people, and if that isn't good enough then I might as well shut down my podcast, this site should close down, etc. But all of these things get in front of different people and help someone out there.

If nothing else, I'd you believe that no measurable good comes from it, it doesn't seem to be doing harm unless you feel there will be a backfire effect and people will start flooding Kingdom Halls.