i've never been a witness so i never left.
graeme hammond writes:.
for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.
Hi Van,
So on what bases would your organization conclude that they could not know and love God and His Son?
Again like I said before, on the basis that that’s how JW interpret the Bible. For example JW profess to be Christ brothers:
“Lord when did we see you naked and hungry… the least of my brothers.. you did it to me.”
Also, as you are very well aware, as JW interpret the Bible non JW are not Christians. You have the JW argument s posted on the JW website.
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Experts widely recognise the content of VAT 4956 to be genuine. It is generally considered to be a Seleucid era copy of a neo-Babylonian original.
(Everything else you posted is fallacy)
Kindly post evidence showing how experts conclude 4956 is authentic and keep your rhetoric and remarks to yourself. Experts also believe Jerusalem fell circa -586 but that is a conclusion, interpretation like -607. So again, I am looking for evidence that substantiates the authenticity of the related VAT. I assume it is authentic but what do I know. Maybe it is not. Thus far the analysis is based on the authenticity of the vat without going into irrelevant tangents that it ain’t—like you do when yiu don’t like something.
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
I would like to see evidence that vat 4956 is authentic or “inspired”.
this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
Absolutely, there’s no way AMIII went for age or health reasons. The JWs parroting that line know it’s not true themselves, on some level. It’s more like a party line than a plausible explanation.
PTSS from the army would make the man nowdays mentally and emotionally unfit to serve. However,. that would be the mitigation behind undisclosed improper or wrong conduct or attitude it seems. The straw that broke the camel’s back will never be disclosed unless people know about it and it leaks out,
i've never been a witness so i never left.
graeme hammond writes:.
for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.
Tell me what biblical commands do they not obey?
Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, 30 and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ 31 The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these—Mark12:29
So called christians worship Jesus, believe in the trinity, hell..Don’t worship God in Spirit and truth.
Fight in wars against fellow christians of their own church , There is even Christianity that practice 1Cor6:9,10. Believe what you like and do what you like. You’ve been around JW long enough Van to know JW theology
i've never been a witness so i never left.
graeme hammond writes:.
for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.
Are there not Christians in the world other than those affiliated with your organization that obey God's commands?
Not as JW understand the Bible:” One faith, one Lord, one Baptism”—doesn’t allow for other religions. Beating a dead horse here. We will see how it all ends.
i've never been a witness so i never left.
graeme hammond writes:.
for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.
Van, God is the ultimate judge. WT claims to be God’s agency on earth. The individual needs to come to his personal conclusion. Compared to 1 century Jews concluding that JC was the Messiah and they should listen to him. Believe what you like but a lot of Jews that believed they loved God reciting the Shemah about loving God by being at Jerusalem on Passover 70 instead on listening to Jesus’s instructions—perished.
”For this is what the love of God means, that you observe his commandment.”
i've never been a witness so i never left.
graeme hammond writes:.
for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.
Actually, she did not pretend anything. She knew where the quote came from. That's why she pressed her buzzer. She temporarily struggled for the name of the book itself. Watch it again.
Maybe, Maybe not. I qualified my comment by saying “if” she planned it. I remember all those bogus tv evangelist and their later exposed fraud, crying and everything so it is possible. Don’t confuse judging a person’s motive with with interpreting a video show.
i've never been a witness so i never left.
graeme hammond writes:.
for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.
Do you think the young lady in the video and those evaluating her perhaps love Jehovah and His Son as much or even more than you?
No, she faked pretending first she didn’t know the verse then all of a sudden she quotes it. Seems rehearsed. Sadly, that puts into question the spontaneous feeling of her tears if this was planned. I get emotional too when reading certain verses that apply to me.
If we use ancient Israel and the early Christian church as a rule, conduct by fellow believers and of those in positions of authority don’t invalidate the authenticity of the Church.
It discredits the apostate who was not convinced but dove in head first into JW. Because how can you become unconvinced after witnessing empirically the evidence of God’s Holy Spirit? Obviously, God wasn’t in the equation and that is why someone leaves and then says it ain’t true is the reason. How can someone claim they took a measurement and then say later on they never struck the rock?
The relationship is with God and that is very personal and real —what others do don’t change that.
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
What do you mean?
I asked what authenticates Vat 4956.
