Posts by Andee

I can guarantee that, were they to lose a couple of big-money judgments, how new flashes of light from God's throne would suddenly urge the flock toward greater tolerance and forgiveness, all draped in apprriately solemn rhetoric, likely premised on the parables of the prodigal son, etc. etc.

Yes, I agree. "The bottom line" is the bottom line. It will always be a matter of money.

Out of everyone that I know that has been Df'd two were reinstated.
One, because she wants her very large JW family to talk to her. However, she does not support the doctrines. She does just enough to keep her family off her back. The other, got reinstated after 5 years. His KH got a new batch of elders. One visited this family member and all was forgiven.

My Mom and Aunt were shunned for over 20 years by JW siblings. Interestingly, those siblings had children that were DF'd. Those children, as far as I know, were NOT shunned. The irony does not escape me.

As long as the borg is able to control people with the big A, I don't see anything changing in the near future.

Andee

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Stuff we wouldn't do offline that we do here

by joelbear in

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1. argue with a six year old.. ever had a deep discussion with a six year old (or someone with a three year old's mentality)?

ever heard two six year old's arguing?.

typically it turns to name calling and "i know you are but what am i" exchanges fairly rapidly.. would we walk up to a 6 year old or a mentally challenged adult and engage in one of these ridiculous, non-productive and demoralizing exchanges?.

Andee

Well, I would never argue with a 6 year old HERE.

However, I have argued with MY then 6 year old daughter many times. And my son, who is 5, already argues with me!

Actually, I find myself much more restrained here than in real life.

The words on a page, or computer screen, seem to be more powerful. This is true whether one's intent is to be hostile or complimentary.
I try to be mindful of this.

I think that also when one is personally attacked or challenged, there is the awareness that others are "watching" so there is a need to save face. So, egos play apart in it. It doesn't just happen on this discussion board, it's anywhere individuals gather in this little world we call the internet.

Andee

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What books have shaped your affected you?

by Eyebrow in

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in another post i mentioned job a comedy of justice by robert heinlien.

the responses to the post got me thinking about other books that have affected me.

what books have had an impact on your life?

Andee

I'm an Anne Rule fan. She writes true crime novels. Her first novel was A Stranger Beside Me. It was her experience working with Ted Bundy at a suicide hotline.

The subjects she writes about are very gruesome. I like the way she makes is able to take the situation, the facts, and the individuals involved, and make it a completely engrossing story.

I'm also a big Jane Austen fan. I love her observations and satire of late 18th century life in country England.

Andee

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FELLOWSHIP

by ricoananas in

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i've been reading lots of messages in just a few days of logging on to this site and have to say that in the beginning it was bothering me to still be doing the jw thing.

i dropped out after 25 years, the last 14 as an elder.

now, however, i'm beginning to realize that the posts have been giving me a feeling of fellowship with many people who have gone/are going through experiences similar to mine, a kind of fellowship that i rarely if ever felt being among other jw's.

Andee

Hi Rico

Welcome to the board. I see you have a sense of humor. That's a very good thing here.

Andee

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Internet potatoes

by slipnslidemaster in

kind of funny that all us internet potatoes won't post in here with any frequency.. slipnslidemaster:"the average person thinks he isn't.".

- father larry lorenzoni

Andee

ahhh ahhh ahhh chooooooo!

Andee
(sneezing cause of the dust, while attempting to make her way through all the cobwebs down here)

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NEWFLASH!!!! I'm Korah!!! (news to me at least)

by ashitaka in

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my father called me last nite telling me that i was korah.

always nice to start off a conversation with.

then for an hour we tried convincing each other we were right.

Andee

I agree with UB.

Ashi,

It's whole new ball game with your Dad and he knows it. I remember the first time I stood up to my Dad. Not arguing with him, I just put my foot down. I remember he just wasn't sure how to act with me.
As if for the first time, I was looking him square in the eye. He saw me as an adult, not his child that he could manipulate. He didn't have power over me anymore.

I was talking with my younger sister last week. My Dad has some serious health problems. He calls her, so she will tell me. Why? I wondered. Why not tell me directly? My sister tells me "because he is intimidated by you".

What a turn around! A man that I was terrified of all of my childhood, now is intimidated by me. Go figure.

Andee

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Why can some question and others not

by joelbear in

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we are not jehovah's witnesses because of a variety of circumstances, but one thing we all share is that we question.. what factors come together to make us questioners?.

intelligence?

but i know a lot of very smart non-questioning jehovah's witnesses.. bravery?

Andee

My goal is simply to make it to a new system of things. That's it.

BINGO!

I gotta give you that, YoYo. At least you're honest. Most JW's would never admit to that.

That's the bottom line isn't it?

Advocate the destruction of families, the denying of life saving medical treatments, and the ignoring of false prophesies and glaring contradictions.

Well, YoYo, I hope your ticket is worth the price of admission.

Andee

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Child sacrifice averted in Toronto by courts

by expatbrit in

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ever get those moments where you wonder how the hell you could ever have followed the wt's policy on blood?.

i had one when reading this: http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=14&t=000054.

one comment that stands out for me in this thread for it's unbelievable callousness and cult-indoctrination:.

Andee

I had been avoiding this thread. Just too overwhelmed by children "taking it on the chin" lately.

I know I have mentioned my families experience with my daughter's leukemia. I read the WOL thread, and like Mommy, that post about the parents "sticking to his righteous laws" makes me want to hunt down that pathetic moron and kick her teeth through the top of her head!

Now, I was under the impression that it was ok for witnesses to get fractions? It's extremely rare for a kid with Leukemia to get whole blood. Usually, it's red blood cells and platlets. So, what is the problem with these imbecile parents? Are they so fucking fanatical, that to be certain that their ticket to paradise will be held for them at the window, they willing sacrifice their kid? Why? Why can't brain-dead ass-wipes likes these people be infertile!??

With treatment, this child will most likely survive and have a healthy life. I read about his diagnoses and his counts were almost exactly like my daughter's. However, I worry about this boy. Treatment is nearly three years for boys (boys are treated longer than girls). If he has a good or excellent response to the first round of chemo, the outlook is good that he will not need many tranfusions. However, if his immune system is supressed for long periods of time, there will be many transfusions in his future. I hope that other than this blood issue, they parents were loving people. They are still Mommy and Daddy to him. Do they plan on keeping them away from him the whole time? Treatment for Luekemia is one long and bumpy road. So, such a tramatic thing to go through. Then, to have to go through it without Mommy and Daddy. My heart just aches.

I look at my now 10 year old daughter. I sometimes think about what my life would have been like had I lost her. Well, I HOPE when Preston is a grown man, has children of this own, and his parents probably still dutifully waiting for the Great Trib, he will KNOW that they and their insideous mind-numbing cult nearly cost him his life.

Kudos to the Canadian courts!

Andee

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Hi my names josephus, and i am an apostate.

by josephus in

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well this is the day.. i mentioned to my mum that i read a good book recently about dates, and cronology.. she blew up and told me i was just trying to read anything that attempts to disprove jws.. apparently i am like those apostates, and people didnt want to talk to my because of it.. "this is the truth", she said.. well i am now an apostate.

it doesnt feel as bad as i thought it would.. josephus

Andee

Yeah, right.

unbiased.

Like the Watchtower? Awake?

You mean "not critical" of the WTS?

If one wants that, better stick to Borg publications.

Andee