Posts by catchthis

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Isn't Nisan 14 supposed to be April 23rd?

by catchthis in

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sorry folks if i missed this somewhere before, but isn't nisan 14 supposed to line up with our current calendar on april 23rd?

i didn't go to the memorial last night so i do not know if they tried explaining this difference.

i always thought that nisan 14 was the date that they used to celebrate the memorial.

catchthis

According to the publications, I think something is a bit off....

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it-2 p. 268 Lord?s Evening Meal ***

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Often Observed. According to Luke and Paul, when instituting the Memorial of his death Jesus said: "Keep doing this in remembrance of me." (Lu 22:19; 1Co 11:24) From this it is reasonable to understand that Jesus meant that his followers should celebrate the Lord?s Evening Meal annually, not more often. The Passover, observed in remembrance of Jehovah?s deliverance of Israel from Egyptian bondage in 1513 B.C.E., was commemorated only once a year, on the anniversary date of Nisan 14. The Memorial, also an anniversary, would appropriately be held only on Nisan 14.

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km 3/87 p. 1 Preparation for a Special Occasion ***

This occasion is properly celebrated every year on Nisan 14. In 1987 the Memorial of Christ?s death falls on Sunday, April 12. Are you making plans to be there?

*** This date mentioned above even lines up with the date converter

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rs p. 269 par. 2 Memorial (Lord?s Evening Meal) ***

Jehovah?s Witnesses observe the Memorial after sundown on Nisan 14, according to the reckoning of the Jewish calendar that was common in the first century. The Jewish day begins at sundown and extends until the following sundown. So Jesus died on the same Jewish calendar day that he instituted the Memorial. The beginning of the month of Nisan was the sunset after the new moon nearest the spring equinox became visible in Jerusalem. The Memorial date is 14 days thereafter. (Thus the date for the Memorial may not coincide with that of the Passover kept by modern-day Jews. Why not? The start of their calendar months is set to coincide with the astronomical new moon, not the visible new moon over Jerusalem, which may come 18 to 30 hours later. Also, most Jews today keep the Passover on Nisan 15, not on the 14th as did Jesus in harmony with what was stated in the Mosaic Law.)

Even if the JW's do not follow the Jewish dates as mentioned above, it would only be off by 18-30 hours.

Catch, scratching head

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Isn't Nisan 14 supposed to be April 23rd?

by catchthis in

jw
friends

sorry folks if i missed this somewhere before, but isn't nisan 14 supposed to line up with our current calendar on april 23rd?

i didn't go to the memorial last night so i do not know if they tried explaining this difference.

i always thought that nisan 14 was the date that they used to celebrate the memorial.

catchthis

Sorry folks if I missed this somewhere before, but isn't Nisan 14 supposed to line up with our current calendar on April 23rd? I didn't go to the memorial last night so I do not know if they tried explaining this difference. I always thought that Nisan 14 was THE date that they used to celebrate the memorial. Or have I been out mentally too long now that I've forgotten the dates?? I know that Christendom had services last night, but wouldn't the JW's want to remain separate of their dates and remain true to their own?

http://www.hebcal.com/converter/ --- Just plug in April 23, 2005 and the converter will show you Nisan 14, and vice-versa.

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Does anyone know someone DF'd for Apostasy that ended up going back?

by confusedjw in

i've only heard of one and was wondering......

catchthis

I'm sure there are a few out there. Only for not taking their meds......

How about --- Someone who was df'd for loose conduct, found out the truth about the truth while df'd and now is reinstated again for family reasons, but still shares their opinions about the WTS privately? I think this person will not last that long. I give them 5 years at the most.

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An Elder Told Me.... Many To Be Disfellowshipped Soon...

by Doubtfully Yours in

an elder told me the book is jehovah's latest provision to cleanse his organization.. he said soon all people that have drifted, inactives, and others baptized and not complying with the biblical mandates for a jw, will be visited and given an option to shape up or ship out.. he said that if the person refuses the help offered by the congregation they'll be notified of the date of disfellowshipping and given time to appeal the decision.. he was so happy stating that this way jehovah's organization was preparing for the final clean-up before armageddon.

he sounded so convincing that it almost made perfect sense what he was saying.

i got goose bumps listening to his reasoning.. dy

catchthis

The body of elders will want to discuss how they can help those who have become inactive during the past few years. (Matt. 18:12-14) The secretary should check the Congregation?s Publisher Record cards and make a note of all those who have become inactive.

ROTFLMFAO!! "Making a note" is about all they might do. They might discuss something, but acting on it is another matter. I was inactive for years and still attending, but they didn't say boo about it to me.

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An Elder Told Me.... Many To Be Disfellowshipped Soon...

by Doubtfully Yours in

an elder told me the book is jehovah's latest provision to cleanse his organization.. he said soon all people that have drifted, inactives, and others baptized and not complying with the biblical mandates for a jw, will be visited and given an option to shape up or ship out.. he said that if the person refuses the help offered by the congregation they'll be notified of the date of disfellowshipping and given time to appeal the decision.. he was so happy stating that this way jehovah's organization was preparing for the final clean-up before armageddon.

he sounded so convincing that it almost made perfect sense what he was saying.

i got goose bumps listening to his reasoning.. dy

catchthis

THIS will give them a excuse for when the numbers fall even further down next year!

Me thinks this sounds like a good idea. It almost seems as if they are playing the part of a lending company. A lender will loan you the money for a new car, but as soon as you miss a couple payments, they send out a repo man to collect their interest, namely, your vehicle. The same way you "sign" your baptismal contract for that shiny new golden carrot(paradise). Once you are baptised, you "owe" them allegiance on a weekly for-life basis. If you do not "pay" up or even refuse to pay, the repo men (elders) come knocking on your door to take away your carrot. catch, not really missing his carrot

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A comment I heard tonight

by Generic Man in

tonight i heard one of the most cruel and twisted comments i've ever heard at the platform.

the topic was the apocalypse and whether or not children will be slaughtered.

through one side of his mouth, the po stated that the bible is not clear on the matter, while out the other side he pointed to all those old testament accounts where children were killed.

catchthis

That's fine if you don't want to address the meat of my comments - it seems to be working for you with other posters as well.

The refusal to disclose a matter doesn't prove that the person "doesn't know himself". From here on out you'll be playing your "game" all by yourself.

Without restating my previous comments again, I've made my point, you couldn't rebuff them, case closed.

Just remember, don't come crying to me for help when you contract AIDS. LOL! I can read your heart condition too and I choose not to divulge the cure to you!

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A comment I heard tonight

by Generic Man in

tonight i heard one of the most cruel and twisted comments i've ever heard at the platform.

the topic was the apocalypse and whether or not children will be slaughtered.

through one side of his mouth, the po stated that the bible is not clear on the matter, while out the other side he pointed to all those old testament accounts where children were killed.

catchthis

For a fact I do know the real reason for the WTS having become an NGO, but you're not one who can appreciate such a reason, and that's why I choose to not inform you of what that reason was. So, yes, you are playing a silly game.

How presumptuous of you to tell me that I am not one who could appreciate such a reason. Speaking out about the WTS/UN affair was one of the main reasons why I was df'd. So yes, I am one who would very much appreciate hearing about the real reason. Who knows? Hearing about the real reason may get me to repent of my past transgression and have me come back to the org.

But since you are able to read my true heart condition --- "you're not one who can appreciate such a reason" --- I can understand why you would still refuse to dislose the real reason. It's simple. You do not know yourself.

Funny how this game is played, dontcha think?

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A comment I heard tonight

by Generic Man in

tonight i heard one of the most cruel and twisted comments i've ever heard at the platform.

the topic was the apocalypse and whether or not children will be slaughtered.

through one side of his mouth, the po stated that the bible is not clear on the matter, while out the other side he pointed to all those old testament accounts where children were killed.

catchthis

Let me see if I got this right... If an athiest family living in the USA has a 4 year old child which has never been given the opportunity to learn about God will be destroyed at armageddon, then what about the young Jewish child living in Israel whose parents have taught him what they can about fearing and worshipping God? The Jewish child would also be destroyed, correct? If the Jewish family had never been witnessed to, they are still birdseed according to the JW beliefs.

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Project to scan the new Organized book into PDF form

by Elsewhere in

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has anyone started such a project?

if not i would like to get my hands on a copy so i can start one.. by the way... how many pages does this thing have?

catchthis

Hmmm...let's see. If I can manage to have my wife's car stolen and her OM book just happens to be in it at the time of the theft, the thief might be willing to discard the book cover and the remaining pages might find their way to a Kinko's...

Ahh, who knows what might happen.

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A comment I heard tonight

by Generic Man in

tonight i heard one of the most cruel and twisted comments i've ever heard at the platform.

the topic was the apocalypse and whether or not children will be slaughtered.

through one side of his mouth, the po stated that the bible is not clear on the matter, while out the other side he pointed to all those old testament accounts where children were killed.

catchthis

I'm not interested in playing your silly game.

This is no game. You've stated that you know the real reason for the WTS committing bestiality with the UN, but you choose not to disclose that information.

I say, and I think many others will back me on this also, that what you know about the WTS/UN fiasco amounts to the equivalent of the GB knowing the exact date of armageddon, plus or minus two thousand years. That is a very generous spread considering they couldn't get it right even with a two thousand year cover in both directions.

JW's teach that children will be killed if they are not associated with JW's in some way. Period. Always taught that, always will.