i'm looking for info about the hebrew word 'satan'.
i'll be specific so that you know what i'm asking for ( bold print added by me ).
numbers 22:32 nwt, "then jehovah's angel said to him: "why have you beaten your she-ass these three times ?
Here, "Satan" becomes an official title of a distinct personality, although in the Hebrew, the article before Satan indicates a common rather than a proper noun as "the satan".
This is a paragraph from Leolaia's second link
It seems to agree with every other opinion that has been offered
David
i'm looking for info about the hebrew word 'satan'.
i'll be specific so that you know what i'm asking for ( bold print added by me ).
numbers 22:32 nwt, "then jehovah's angel said to him: "why have you beaten your she-ass these three times ?
Thank you Tom,
To be perfectly honest, I believe the question you ask is strictly one of context and not really one of grammar at all. Although the word could refer to more than one entity, the question of when and where it does or does not is one of context. Therefore there is little reason the question could not be resolved in English. IMHO
Your thoughts are one more reason for me to follow up on the path that I'm exploring
David
i'm looking for info about the hebrew word 'satan'.
i'll be specific so that you know what i'm asking for ( bold print added by me ).
numbers 22:32 nwt, "then jehovah's angel said to him: "why have you beaten your she-ass these three times ?
Thanks Narcissos,
I appreciate the input. Your thoughts 'sweeten the pot' for me and the concept that I'm exploring
You also bring up Revelation which contains the definite discription of 'original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan' ( Rev 12:9 ). But I'm not very excited about looking for answers in a book that was still in dispute for decades after Christendom was established in 325
Revelation was eventually accepted by the orthodox establishment but, even in orthodox circles ( which represent mans attempt to add a hierarchy to Christianity and Jesus message ), it is the shakiest of all of the New Testament books .....
according to what I've found in my research
Thank you both for your responses
David
i'm looking for info about the hebrew word 'satan'.
i'll be specific so that you know what i'm asking for ( bold print added by me ).
numbers 22:32 nwt, "then jehovah's angel said to him: "why have you beaten your she-ass these three times ?
Thanks Leolaia,
This paragraph from your first link
The final appearance of a satan in the Old Testament occurs in chapter 3 of the Book of Zechariah. The prophet has a vision in which he sees an Angel of the LORD, the high priest Joshua, and the Satan. The Accuser is claiming that Joshua is unfit to serve his duties, but the angel steps forward to rebuke the satan. Here the word ha-satan is used, indicating a title rather than a proper name. Here the question of who the satan is takes on the same mystery as in Job: is the satan opposing Joshua a figure like the hypothetical Satanel or is he an angel taking on a specific duty?
makes me wonder if there is a consensus of opinion about the identity of the Satan resistor of YHWH in Job 1:6 and the identity of the Satan resistor of Jesus in Mark 1:13
If the arch enemy of YHWH is not the same as the arch enemy of Jesus, then should Satan be translated as a proper noun ?
You might be able to guess where I'm 'going' with this thought if you've read one other post that I made
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/61649/936189/post.ashx#936189
Compare YHWH to Jesus' description of his Father ( John 3:16, 15:8-12, Luke 11:11-13 )
or Peter's description ( Acts 10:34+35 ) of the Father that Jesus showed to him ( John 14:9+10, 1:18 )
or John's description ( 1John 4:16-18 )
I'm looking at Jesus words, "I have many things yet to say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present." John 16:12. He told them that he was going away, that he was going to die, but there was something even more intense than this heartbreak that would make them 'weep and wail' ( John 16:20 ) that they could not bear
I'm wondering about the identity of the Hebrew Scripture 'satan' arch enemy of YHWH
I'm wondering about the identity of the serpent resistor of Genesis 3:1
I'm trying not to 'let the horse get ahead of the cart' but exploring possibilities and concepts is alot of fun
David
our daughter is six, and walks on her tippie toes.
we always find ourselves saying "walk on your feet!
i worry that this is going to ruin her ankles or her feet as she get older but we arent sure how to get her to stop.
Both of my daughters walked on their toes but also with their toes curled under so that they were walking on their knuckles ( if that's the correct term when referring to the foot )
My oldest did it constantly. She would even frequently run on her feet knuckles and even jump up and down. Her younger sister did it only sporadically, every now and then. They are 11 and 8 now and neither have done it for many years
The youngest, a boy, never went thru that 'stage'
Check with the doctor. If she gets a clean bill, I would expect that she will grow out of it in time
David
i'm looking for info about the hebrew word 'satan'.
i'll be specific so that you know what i'm asking for ( bold print added by me ).
numbers 22:32 nwt, "then jehovah's angel said to him: "why have you beaten your she-ass these three times ?
I'm looking for info about the Hebrew word 'Satan'
I'll be specific so that you know what I'm asking for ( bold print added by me )
Numbers 22:32 NWT, "Then Jehovah's angel said to him: "Why have you beaten your she-ass these three times ? Look ! I - I have come to offer resistance, because your way has been headlong against my will."
According to the BOrg 'Insight on the Scriptures' Vol 2 pg 866 under Satan it says, "[Resistor]. In many places in the Hebrew Scriptures, the word sa-tan' appears without the definite article. Used in this way, it applies in its first appearance to the angel that stood in the road to resist Balaam as he set out with the objective of cursing the Israelites. ( Nu 22:22, 32 ) In other instances it refers to individuals as resistors of other men. ( 1Sa 29:4; 2Sa 19:21, 22; 1Ki 5:4; 11:14, 23, 25 ) But it is used with the definite article ha to refer to Satan the Devil, the chief Adversary of God. ( Job 1:6, ftn; 2:1-7; Zec 3:1, 2 )
So the BOrg's Hebrew researchers have decided that Satan without a definite article should be translated 'resistor' and refer to the role that a person is filling. And Satan with a definite article should be translated as a proper noun 'Satan' and refer to one specific person
My question revolves around the Hebrew word 'Satan' with a definite article. Does the accompaniment of the definite article specify only a proper noun or could it specify a more narrowly defined noun, such as 'formost resistor' or 'arch enemy' ?
If it could be translated 'arch enemy', then Satan may not be one being but rather refer various beings
According to this line of thought, the archenemy or chief adversary of YHWH could be a different person than the arch enemy of someone else
To make sure that I'm being clear, let me use an example. When the comic book character Superman is talking to 'Satan', he would be talking to Lex Luther. And when the comic book character Lex Luther is talking to 'Satan', he would be talking to Superman
Is there anything within the study of the known Aramaic and Greek texts that would answer these questions ?
David
I thought FOR SURE that I had the Milli Vanilli one right !
David
from taco bell .
i became so addicted to them !!
cheesy bean & rice burrito without meat or fiesta sauce ( to eliminate the onions .
from Taco Bell
I became SO addicted to them !!
cheesy bean & rice burrito without meat or fiesta sauce ( to eliminate the onions )
But then they went away
And I was sooo sad
and broken hearted
Today, I came up with an idea for lunch
And now I have been reunited with my love
NO ! Not that kinda love . This kinda love
If you share my craving, I'll share my solution
Order a bean burrito
minus onion ( unless insanity has driven you to eat onions )
minus red sauce
plus nacho cheese sause
plus rice
plus jalapeno sauce
My receipt said this
1 BEAN .89
+
NCHZ .50
+
RICE .25
+
CJSC .10
-
ON .00
-
RED .00
SUBTOTAL 1.74
For a dollar seventy-four, my love has returned
Who will join me for a celebration ?
For supper
I'm planning on getting 2 beautiful burritos
a huge handful of Kraft Jalapeno Cheddar Cheese Nips
and a gallon bucket of my frozen Seabreeze
Life just doesn't get any better !
David
the wt has often alluded that there is a genetic defect in humankind ever since adam and eve ate of the "forbidden fruit.
" we've all heard the "dent in a pan = dent in the cakes" illustration countless times over by the society and, for that matter, by a number of fundamentalist christians.
but, there is an enormous problem with this line of reasoning.
I don't think Adam was going to give up another rib after seeing how the first one turned out
David
the wt has often alluded that there is a genetic defect in humankind ever since adam and eve ate of the "forbidden fruit.
" we've all heard the "dent in a pan = dent in the cakes" illustration countless times over by the society and, for that matter, by a number of fundamentalist christians.
but, there is an enormous problem with this line of reasoning.
Nephilim ?
2 things strike me
1 ) Didn't their fathers already sin by materializing when they weren't allowed before they got ahold of the human women ? So then weren't their offspring conceived in sin and imperfection ?
2 ) Since the angels don't need a certain tree to eat from every thousand years or less, why should their kids need one ? If there is a invisible spiritual version of the tree of life in heaven, I'm sure the demons aren't allowed anywhere near it and yet they keep on going millenium after millenium, like a seethru version of the Energizer Bunny
David
