Posts by OrphanCrow

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"THE TRUTH" & "THE WAY"

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

when speaking of "the truth" jehovah's witnesses may have in mind several contexts, including.... "... the entire body of christian teachings that has become part of the bible..." w08 12/15 p. 27-p. 29 par.

13and/or the body of knowledge determined by the "... highest ecclesiastical authority for the faith of jehovah's witnesses..." which is arrived at and sanctioned by the governing body and as stated by gerrit losch in his legal submission to the supreme court of california in february 2014.indeed, most jehovah's witnesses may not discriminate between these two perspectives and will likely envisage the body of knowledge determined by the gb as synonymous with that stated in the aforementioned 2008 wt magazine ("entire body of christian teachings").

however, a number of dissenting/analytical jehovah's witnesses, former congregants, etc., will discern an increasing gulf between that which is scripturally derived / determined, and the body of knowledge arrrived at by the gb.gerrit losch in the following magazine article "w12 8/1 p. 28 champions of the truth" is noted as having asked....''how do we know we have the truth?

OrphanCrow

"The Way"

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/way.htm

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Scientology is a template of ultimate Mind Control: Here are some books exposing the methods and madness

by TerryWalstrom in

pdf links to anti-scientology books.

http://exscientologistsireland.org/wp/about-the-scientology-organisation/books/.

it was 1950, in the early, heady days of dianetics, soon after l. ron hubbard opened the doors of his first organization to the clamoring crowd.

OrphanCrow

SophiaLose:
Now, that's serious mind control!
JWs are nothing in comparison. So, quit your whining!!!

Jehovah's Witnesses are told to give up their life for the WTS' blood god. And they will even lay their children on the altar of the blood god.

How much more serious do you want it to get???? How much more serious can it get?

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Scientology is a template of ultimate Mind Control: Here are some books exposing the methods and madness

by TerryWalstrom in

pdf links to anti-scientology books.

http://exscientologistsireland.org/wp/about-the-scientology-organisation/books/.

it was 1950, in the early, heady days of dianetics, soon after l. ron hubbard opened the doors of his first organization to the clamoring crowd.

OrphanCrow

Terry, have you ever had the opportunity to view the movie "The Master"?

http://www.wired.com/2012/09/the-master-review/

Review: The Master Elegantly Dissects Cult Psychosis
BEAUTIFUL TO LOOK at, strangely hypnotic and utterly original, The Master examines cult dynamics through the ’50s-era misadventures of a violent ex-sailor with horrible posture and zero impulse control.
Filmmaking artistry aside, writer-director Paul Thomas Anderson‘s picture hits home as a period-perfect examination of a perpetually recurring truth: When people hanker for a know-it-all authority figure who will tell them what to think, self-appointed “masters” will be more than happy to oblige.
Anderson brings cult behavior into fascinating focus by examining the bond between two characters portrayed by extraordinary actors: the accidental, alcoholic seeker Freddie Quill, played by Joaquin Phoenix, and the suave, all-American swami Lancaster Dodd, played by Philip Seymour Hoffman.

...read more about the movie by following the link...

The movie is apparently based upon Ron Hubbard and his mind control methods. I found it to be a disturbing movie that is all too real in its depiction of mind control tactics. Chilling. I highly recommend it - but for anyone who could be triggered by past experiences with cult control....you might not want to watch it. I found parts of it difficult to watch.

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Can a video involving a christien having sex be viewed and used by elders?

by StephaneLaliberte in

lets say someone has a sexual encounter and a third party video taps it.

in canada, it would be illegal for the one that taped the video to show it to the elders as this would be "invasion of privacy".

what i am wondering however is if any legal action can be done against the elders and the wt if they view this video and take it into account in a judicial comity.

OrphanCrow

ecan6:
The person who filmed was not involved in the sexual activity. Hence, I know for a fact that he cannot show this video to anyone as legal recourse can be done against him.

Did either or both of the other parties know that they were being taped?

"I know for a fact..." - please elaborate on this fact. Does this fact originate with a lawyer?

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Can a video involving a christien having sex be viewed and used by elders?

by StephaneLaliberte in

lets say someone has a sexual encounter and a third party video taps it.

in canada, it would be illegal for the one that taped the video to show it to the elders as this would be "invasion of privacy".

what i am wondering however is if any legal action can be done against the elders and the wt if they view this video and take it into account in a judicial comity.

OrphanCrow

3rdgen: I have a relative whose wife told the elders he was physically abusing her. They wanted to meet with him. He wanted to prove his innocence and show that actually it was HER who was abusive so he videotaped several episodes of her fits of rage.
His elders (California) flatly refused to even look at the tapes. Legal must have told them that there must be consent to be taped and consent for said tape to be viewed by others.

In Canada, that tape would be a legal piece of evidence. A person is allowed to tape/videotape a conversation or interaction with someone else without their knowledge. The only person who needs to give consent is the person who taped it if they are one of the parties involved.

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Can a video involving a christien having sex be viewed and used by elders?

by StephaneLaliberte in

lets say someone has a sexual encounter and a third party video taps it.

in canada, it would be illegal for the one that taped the video to show it to the elders as this would be "invasion of privacy".

what i am wondering however is if any legal action can be done against the elders and the wt if they view this video and take it into account in a judicial comity.

OrphanCrow

ecan6: Lets say someone has a sexual encounter and a third party video taps it. In Canada, it would be illegal for the one that taped the video to show it to the elders as this would be "invasion of privacy". What I am wondering however is if any legal action can be done against the elders and the WT if they view this video and take it into account in a Judicial Comity.

Are any of the parties in the tape underage?

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2001 Symposium on "Problems of Bloodless Surgery" in Moscow - Sherri Ozawa explains the HLC and bloodless medicine clinics

by OrphanCrow in

a few years ago, prior to researching the field of "bloodless medicine", i was under the mistaken impression that bloodless surgery was a field of medicine that sat "outside" of the watchtower influence and operated as a part of mainstream medicine.

since that time, i have discovered that "bloodless medicine" has been founded and maintained by the watchtower society itself.

bloodless medicine is the watchtower society - it has been organized by people who have been trained by the wts and therefore, the bloodless industry is controlled by the wts.

OrphanCrow

Yes, Rebel, we are definitely in the same camp! I agree with everything you said.

As with many other things, wts steps up and takes credit for certain things they did and did not do, while at other times they pretend as though others did things they did. They flip back and forth between these strategies as the situation suits their needs. (They do this with the Holocaust, neurolinguistic programming, and the US civil rights movement, among other things. It's a standard strategy of theirs.)

Yes, yes, and yes. This is what is the most difficult to deal with and the most wrong - the deception. The WTS uses strategies that are not transparent or honest. Each and every one of us knows that if a person is an active JW, that they MUST toe the WTS line. There is no other option. A JW thinks and behaves exactly the way that the WTS tells them to. They do not have the option to behave independently. The entire bloodless medicine/blood management industry has been founded by JWs trained by the WTS and most people in the general population and even medical professionals themselves do not know this. The JWs who founded, and continue to promote these industries, rarely/never declare their affiliation with the WTS - they never say that they are JWs.

Well, that would be like the Catholic nuns running abortion clinics but never telling people about their religious affiliation. When JWs like Farmer and Hoffman are involved in influencing how blood is to be used for the general population, I have a HUGE problem with that. HUGE.

I don't think that the pope should be involved in telling doctors how abortions should be conducted, and I don't think that the pope should be invested in birth control pills. Likewise, I don't think the WTS or the JWs that they train and control, should have anything at all to do with MY health care or anybody else's that isn't a JW. The WTS is way out of line with how they have influenced and lobbied the medical profession.

Shannon Farmer sometimes has said that he is a "consumer advocate" and there he goes, advocating for... who? For you? Or for the JWs? Which consumer does he represent? And why? I know one thing - he does NOT represent me. I do NOT want a JW of any kind, shape or form involved in my medical care.

Gioradan: The fact that the Society is involved in bloodless surgery has, in my opinion, little to do with an attempt to save lives since they could do that by simply "decriminalizing" the Blood ban, but more to do with keeping this barbaric line of reasoning in place and avoid the massive outcry from their followers should it be lifted.

This is why the blood ban is SO important to the WTS:

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

The WTS has always lobbied the medical community. They have invested money since day one of the blood ban into promoting their brand of medicine. They have produced tons of literature and media over the years to promote their no blood ideology to mainstream medicine. Just stop and think for a minute about how much it would cost to establish and maintain their HLC network. The literature alone that is produced for the HLC network is a huge cost. Training costs. Traveling costs. What about those two bigwigs who attended the Moscow conference I posted who came from the WTS' "International Hospital Information Services"?

Where does the money come from to organize, train, travel, and maintain the whole hospital information system, including HLC, program coordinators,etc, etc.? Is it part of congregational donations? Who finances the HLC and the Hospital Information network???

I don't buy for one second that the WTS has invested all that time and money into influencing the medical community simply to avoid law suits or "help the JWs".

When a business spends money on something, it is called an investment. Spending money in an area means that there is a potential profit in that area. If the WTS wasn't making money on their blood ban, the blood ban wouldn't be in place. They wouldn't spend money on no blood promotion if they weren't seeing a financial return on it.

Who or what finances the WTS' HLC and the entire Hospital Information network???

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2001 Symposium on "Problems of Bloodless Surgery" in Moscow - Sherri Ozawa explains the HLC and bloodless medicine clinics

by OrphanCrow in

a few years ago, prior to researching the field of "bloodless medicine", i was under the mistaken impression that bloodless surgery was a field of medicine that sat "outside" of the watchtower influence and operated as a part of mainstream medicine.

since that time, i have discovered that "bloodless medicine" has been founded and maintained by the watchtower society itself.

bloodless medicine is the watchtower society - it has been organized by people who have been trained by the wts and therefore, the bloodless industry is controlled by the wts.

OrphanCrow

I can't read Russian, either, opusder, that is why Google translate is so valuable.

Bloodless surgery is ineffective in major blood loss. Bloodless surgery methods are not suitable for everybody or for every circumstance.

In some cases, the methods used for bloodless surgery can actually increase the need for allogenic blood transfusions. And...the risks of artificial blood are greater that the risks of allogenic blood transfusion.

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Child Abuse - "I don't care. I haven't got any children".

by cofty in

earlier this week i bumped into a couple of jws who i recognised from the cult cart.

a few months ago i had a long conversation with him one of them and found him to be quite friendly.

he is new to the area in the years since i left.. this time he was very defensive and said he wasn't allowed to talk to me.

OrphanCrow

SophiaRose: Also parents need to take better care of their young. Yes, parents.

...ummmm...I hate to break this to you, SophiaRose, but many children are sexually abused by their own parents.

Sexual abuse quite often is found within the family itself. Saying that the parents need to take better care is true - the parents have to stop abusing their own children. Pretending that it is the "big bad" monster that is outside of the family circle that is the one to watch out for ignores familial abuse cycles.

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2001 Symposium on "Problems of Bloodless Surgery" in Moscow - Sherri Ozawa explains the HLC and bloodless medicine clinics

by OrphanCrow in

a few years ago, prior to researching the field of "bloodless medicine", i was under the mistaken impression that bloodless surgery was a field of medicine that sat "outside" of the watchtower influence and operated as a part of mainstream medicine.

since that time, i have discovered that "bloodless medicine" has been founded and maintained by the watchtower society itself.

bloodless medicine is the watchtower society - it has been organized by people who have been trained by the wts and therefore, the bloodless industry is controlled by the wts.

OrphanCrow

A few years ago, prior to researching the field of "bloodless medicine", I was under the mistaken impression that bloodless surgery was a field of medicine that sat "outside" of the Watchtower influence and operated as a part of mainstream medicine. Since that time, I have discovered that "bloodless medicine" has been founded and maintained by the Watchtower Society itself.

Bloodless medicine is the Watchtower Society - it has been organized by people who have been trained by the WTS and therefore, the bloodless industry is controlled by the WTS.

http://roman142.blogspot.ca/2013/11/1-2.html

In 2001 an international symposium "Problems of Bloodless Surgery" was held in Moscow, Russia. Included in those who organized the symposium were two representatives from the Watchtower Society, one from the New York International Hospital Information Service and another from the Russian branch of the same organization:

- M. Adzhiboye - surgeon, director of the Russian branch of the International Hospital Information Service, New York, USA;
- MV Cusco - the surgeon, deputy. director of the Russian branch of the International Service for hospital information, St. Petersburg;

Also organizing this symposium was a well known American doctor from Englewood Hospital in New Jersey.

- A. Shander - director of the Center bloodless surgery clinic Englewood, New Jersey, USA.

Shander is intimately connected to the JWs who established organized bloodless surgery clinics and he was a founding member, along with several HLC members, of the Society for Blood Management that was founded the same year that this Moscow symposium was held. Shander has published extensively on bloodless medicine and is a primary mover and shaker for blood management programs. At this symposium in Moscow, he presented several papers from professionals involved with the Englewood Hospital.

The Moscow symposium in 2001 had been preceded by several other conferences that dealt with issues around bloodless surgery and blood management. The collection of papers presented included selected papers presented at a series of international symposiums:

Bloodless surgery on threshold of XXI century - a modern view on transfusion therapy
- Regional Hospital, St. Petersburg, April 19, 1999
MODERN APPROACHES TO Transfusion tactics in oncology and hematology
- Russian Cancer Research Center, Moscow, April 21, 1999
WAYS OF PREVENTION AND TREATMENT OF BLEEDING in obstetrics and gynecology
- Scientific Center for Obstetrics, Gynecology and Perinatology, Moscow, April 23, 1999

The collection also included a number of reports from the conference "Modern approaches to transfusion tactics in surgery and anesthesiology" (Yekaterinburg, June 1, 1999) and "New in Transfusion" (Moscow, 23 May 2000).

One of the papers presented was from Sherri Ozawa, who is a Jehovah's Witness herself. In this paper, she explains the role of the HLC and the expanded role of the "program coordinator" of the bloodless medicine clinics/hospitals and how bloodless medicine clinics are intricately linked to the WTS and people whom the WTS has trained to oversee the advancement of their no blood doctrine.

The content and purpose of the program "Bloodless Medicine"
1 S. Ozawa, the coordinator of the "Bloodless Medicine".
Center for Bloodless Medicine Clinic in Englewood, New Jersey, USA.

After an introduction that discusses the JW religious and legal position concerning blood transfusions, Ozawa gives information on how the WTS' Hospital Liasion Committees were formed, and the role of the "Program Coordinator" of the bloodless medicine clinics/hospitals. Within "bloodless" clinics, the program coordinator (a JW trained by the WTS) takes over the role of the HLC. The bloodless clinic, therefore, becomes a highly organized WTS controlled environment.

(translated from Russian)

7 It is important to emphasize that the term "bloodless" in itself can be misleading. This does not mean the absence of bleeding or blood minor role in medicine. The essence of the name is that efforts focus on the conservation and management of the patient's own blood in order to avoid the need for transfusion. Thus, the term "bloodless" reflects the refusal of blood transfusion.
8 As already mentioned, the position of Jehovah's Witnesses before caused misunderstandings between them and the majority of health workers. In this regard there was a need for close cooperation and providing medical information. To do this in the 80s. Watchtower Society (Jehovah's Witnesses legal authority) to develop an effective system of cooperation with doctors, hospitals and other medical institutions, operates worldwide. This was possible thanks to the organization in many countries, thousands of the Liaison Committee with the hospitals. The purpose of these committees is to personally go to medical institutions, sharing scientific information on alternative (bloodless) treatment methods. Committees also help to guide patients, especially in complex clinical situations, a doctor with experience in the treatment without blood. Since the Committee cooperates with plenty of doctors and medical institutions, clinics are interested in the improvement of these treatments. Some of them have organized the so-called program of bloodless treatment.
9 Since the care of the sick is part of the problem several doctors - not only of the physician or surgeon - it is clear that such a program should be well organized and coordinated. Thus, the selected program coordinator, who takes over many of the duties previously performed by the Liaison Committee with the hospitals, mentioned above.
10 The structure of the program is as follows. Appointed Coordinator (one or more), preferably having a medical education that has direct contact with doctors and patients, providing information to staff and the public, coordinates the treatment of patients included in the program (control preparation for the operation, collecting and processing information, developing a treatment plan and procedures). Programme Coordinator liaises with the Board of Medical Directors of the program, which is responsible for counseling, treatment monitoring, the study reports, the creation of the hospital protocol and review. The Board of Directors and the medical director of the program is also in communication with the administration of the clinic, which is responsible for approval of treatments and procedures, administrative monitoring of the program, the decision of legal issues.