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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

vidiot: Am I right?

Yes.

Just look to the procedures and/or products that are being pushed as "acceptable alternatives" and you will find JWs promoting those companies in their anti-blood campaigns. Haemonetics promotion has been mainstay of the blood management programs and bloodless surgery hospitals, and they in turn have sponsored societies like SABM.

Hemopure's history is entwined with WT approval of the bovine based blood substitute. The WTS is intimately involved in trying to arrange for its use in clinical trials sponsored by the US Army.

There is a hand in glove relationship between the blood management societies, the Watchtower Society, the WTS' Hospital Liaison people, and the biotech companies that are promoted by the WTS' antiblood industry. Much of the blood management and bloodless surgery history has been played out in FDA hearings over the years, and also in the classic standoff between the AMA and the osteopathic doctors that has been such an integral part of Watchtower history as well. The WTS' bloodless industry is solidly rooted in osteopathic medicine, promoted and practiced by JW doctors in JW owned hospitals.

What the WTS blood doctrine has done is force the medical and legal community, that struggles to deal with the religious paradox and ethical dilemmas that are dumped in their laps, to view them as a group of people with some kind of rare medical disorder.A JW patient is not normal - they have come to be viewed as having a rare kind of disease, leaving the medical field ripe for trying any and all potentials "cures" for the JW malady.

This has led to a huge problem - the JWs are a readily available group that are vulnerable to exploitation. And, in true form, the WTS has rose to the occasion and continues to keep their anti-blood doctrine alive and profitable. The anti-blood doctrine has become very valuable to the WTS and their associates. They have now moved into the global blood management market - a well planned move that dates back for many decades and now effects everybody world wide. Countries all over the world are adding to the WTS' coffers and they don't even know it.

Petraglyph: It makes sense to me now why Watchtower sold their Brooklyn properties at a low in the market. It's an easy way to transfer highly valuable equity out of the organisation into private hands at relatively low cost without any questions being asked.

It's so simple, isn't it?

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

Edenone: ...If that connection could be established, it would be one hell of a 'smoking gun'.

I think that there could be smoking guns buried in the clinical trials that have been conducted historically using JWs as subjects.

A bit more about the Fluosol trials:

Clinical trials of Fluosol in the anemic Jehovahs Witness patient in the early 1980s led to a myriad of advances in bloodless medicine and surgery. Although Fluosol was not proven to be of significant benefit in treating surgical anemia, its failings helped us to redefine the role of temporary oxygen carriers and to focus on their correct potential use as transfusion alternatives.

Did the JWs who were given Fluosol in the 80s know that they were receiving the product as part of a clinical trial? Or did they just embrace the idea of "Whew! there IS something that might save my life! Isn't the HLC wonderful for 'helping' us?! This wonderful medical advance is Jehovah's blessing on us." How many family members signed the forms for "alternative treatment" with a sigh of relief that something could make them feel like they were trying to save their loved ones life...anything to make them feel less guilty about refusing blood? Did those JWs really know that they were part of clinical trials? The HLC and the WTS would have known - it would have been arranged with their cooperation and knowledge. What were the JWs who received Fluosol told about it?

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Winnipeg Pediatrician accused of sexual abuse

by OrphanCrow in

does anyone in canada remember this doctor?

he was sometimes called in as a specialist for jw babies who needed surgery back in the 70s.

he was department head at the children's hospital at the university of manitoba.

OrphanCrow

Does anyone in Canada remember this doctor?

He was sometimes called in as a specialist for JW babies who needed surgery back in the 70s. He was Department Head at the Children's Hospital at the University of Manitoba. The same hospital that Dr. Bruce Chown did his work on exchange transfusions for babies back in the 50s and 60s.

Victor Chernick, renowned Winnipeg pediatrician, accused of sexually abusing his children

Retired Winnipeg pediatrician Victor Chernick, a professor emeritus at the University of Manitoba and an internationally-recognized scholar, is being accused of sexually abusing two of his own children hundreds of times.
Chernick, 79, is a former chief pediatrician at Winnipeg's Children's Hospital, and he was a professor and chair of the pediatrics department at the University of Manitoba where he began teaching in 1966. He received many honours for his medical research, including the Queen Elizabeth Scientist Award for medical research in 1967.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

EdenOne: In your timeline, do you see anything - such as a technological breakthrough in separating blood fractions - that mirrors the change in the theological doctrine (or vice-versa)? I imagine there might be one. If that connection could be established, it would be one hell of a 'smoking gun'.

Absolutely. The trail of "medical breakthroughs" mirror the shifting stance of the WTS on blood fractions. And other technology that relates to the bloodless world.

I have found several historical medical studies that reveal what was being done to JW patients - procedures that would later get approval from the WTS, yet the studies would need cooperation from a recruiter to accomplish - which reveals that someone in the JWs knew the studies were being conducted. There are clinical trials designed specifically for JWs as the test group - the latest one got changed to a compassionate use program. This has often been the case - JWs are used to identify a need for drugs and procedures that don't meet FDA approval, yet can be distributed under the compassionate program.

It is how several drugs and procedures have made it to market - Fluosol-D 20% is one that used JWs as a testing group. The Japanese firm that manufactured it approached Dr. Ron Lapin back in the early 80s asking him to try it out on the JWs in the States who came to him for treatment. JWs were the first to use Flousol-DA 20 in the States. Fluosol-DA 20% was eventually taken off the market.

And, to bring it right up to date, the Hemopure that the HLC lovingly provide access to, is not an FDA approved product. The JW community is facilitating the product's use in the States by demanding compassionate use. The Society's approval of Hemopure mirrored the industry's need for a clinical trial group and, when that privilege was pulled by the FDA because of the risk factors being too high, the JWs keep it on the market through the FDA compassionate program.

The WTS and their JW bloodless men are all out there pushing their scare tactics directed towards the "risks of blood!!" yet they fail to mention that the risks of using Hemopure outweigh the risks of using allogenic blood transfusions.

According to studies of outcomes of transfusions given to trauma patients in 2008,[15] blood substitutes yielded a 30% increase in the risk of death and about a threefold increase in the chance of having a heart attack for the recipients. More than 3,711 patients were tested in sixteen studies using five types of artificial blood.[16] Public Citizen sued the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to attain information on the duration of these studies which were found to have been conducted from 1998 until 2007. The FDA permits artificial blood transfusions in the USA without informed consent under a special exemption from requirements of informed consent during traumatic care.

The artificial blood referred to in the last sentence is Polyheme - not approved by the WTS because it is made from human blood.

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OMG They are right here in River City!

by myway2007 in

jw
friends

jacksonville, fl - the local newspaper had an article on the convention going on for the next two weekends.

while i could not find the article, i was able to find this slide show of this weekend's events.

the newspaper article was interesting as it discussed what a wonderful job they were doing cleaning the arena seats and bathrooms and everyone was enjoying their job.

OrphanCrow

oppostate: Indeed, and the "Society" is assigning retiring CO's to the area as well. Apparently there's a need and it's considered fertile ground for expansion.

Either that, or the bloodless hospital in Jacksonville needs some patients.

http://www.baptistjax.com/about-us/newsroom/news-releases/bloodless-medicine-and-surgery-program-comes-to-baptist-medical-center-beaches

Maybe they can use the convention as an opportunity to pass out brochures:

http://cdn.baptistjax.com/images/bloodless-medicine-brochure.pdf

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Is the Org Putting Elders in the Firing Line?

by The Searcher in

in view of the conti verdict of negligence by the org, are elders who are selected by the c.o.

now in a precarious position?

"charity trustees face potential liabilities in a number of ways.

OrphanCrow

The elders will now face the same legal challenges and responsibilities that a main stream's clergy and pastors do. The appointment is a reflection on the organization's change over to a "religious" structure - the elders are the clergy. The JW elders would do well to educate themselves on the legal culpability their positions will place on them.

Whatever applies to the "clergy", in terms of liability, will probably apply to them. If so, I wonder if it will go both ways? Will the WTS be held accountable for provision of certain benefits to their "clergy"? Will the elder position eventually become a paid position, like a pastor or minister or priest? Or will the elders just continue to be the unpaid clergy for the WTS? Would that be considered a taxable donation to the WTS - volunteer hours given back to the "charity"?

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

jerryminor:...I had no idea of the blood management industry.

The top dog at Haemonetics, Brian Concannon, pulled down over 5 million last year. He was the fellow who worked for the same company as Reibling at one time, back in the days that Haemonetics was just a twinkle in someone's eye - American Hospital Supply Corp. was the parent company that manufactured early cell saver technology.

The blood management industry is tied into the world of biotechnology, it is part of it - technologies like artificial blood, stem cells, and bloodless surgery are all part of the same industry. Blood management has been born from that industry - the bloodless medicine world. Entering the biotech investment world is like playing roulette at the casino with thousand dollar bills while everybody else is playing penny ante over on the rummy table.

For some background read on the volatile world of biotechnology and the investors that drive it, this is a good read:

The Golden Cell by Karen Van Kempen

Another company that you can take a peek at is the one that manufactures the blood substitute that the JWs push, the one that doesn't have FDA approval yet - Hemopure. The company has changed names and locations rapidly over the years - it was once known as Biopure - I am not sure who they are now or where exactly. It is hard to stay on pace with that world. And the scandal surrounding the founder of Hemopure is interesting.

Petraglyph:
Hello,
Really good thread OrphanCrow. You've done a lot of commendable research.
This is my first post after lurking for at least a couple of years.
When I was studying for my MBA in the UK we covered a case study on an upmarket restaurant chain and the lecturer shared that he had visited the one in Brooklyn. He commented that this was one of the places the Jehovah's Witnesses used to entertain their business associates and he remarked that they were a very wealthy organisation. I thought that quite interesting at the time.
I think you may find Open Corporates useful for your research..."

Thanks, Petra. I will use that resource, I am sure. Every once in a while it is handy to track down the owners and investors.

About the WT entertaining business associates - I ran into a comment by Henwood in a court document that spoke of the "expensive entertaining" that he would engage in with the WT people in the paper department.

Henwood was the fellow who was the salesman that negotiated the paper contracts for the WT several years ago. It got messy, Henwood ended up in court in 2004...it was a mess. He was receiving an exorbitant salesman commission on inflated paper prices.

The WT paper department got an overhaul - another Society man was brought in and heads rolled - not sure what happened internally, but the court document's that involved Henwood are publicly available. The one court document I was never able to track down was Rittenbach's testimony, the Society man who cleaned up the mess.

The links to the documents are just past halfway down this page:

Henwood and the Watchtower

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

problemaddict: Can you elaborate on the last part of it?

I will try.

Let's work backwards first. Australia's entire health care system is now following the "blood management" protocol. It is no longer an industry specifically targeting the JW community - blood management is embedded in many countries' health care systems.

Countries like Canada, that have publicly funded health care systems, have already adopted the blood management approach in hospital across Canada - an approach that relies heavily on the bloodless medicine strategies promoted by the Jehovah's Witnesses themselves. The bloodless industry that spawned blood management (an approach based on a cost/profit model) is run by and managed by primarily Jehovah's Witnesses who don't declare their affiliation with a religion that bans blood.

In the States, and other places, medical clinics that offer the bloodless surgery are mostly owned and administered by Jehovah's Witnesses. The bloodless surgery and blood management promotional material, like books and films, are Watchtower produced. The bloodless industry has a heavy debt to owe to the Watchtower's investment in promoting it - and the JWs who have made money in the production of that anti-blood propaganda.

Jehovah's Witnesses are now making decisions for how blood is to be administered globally - they are firmly embedded in countries around the world - and each and every blood management society can trace its roots to the father of them all - the Society for the Advancement of Blood Management which is an organization founded by Jehovah's Witnesses.

The bloodless cult is the WTS cult. They are one and the same. The bloodless industry owes its very existence, not just to the JWs who died for it, but to the Watchtower Society and the JWs who created it.

And just think of all the donations the Watchtower Society would lose if all those many, many JWs who work in the blood management field lost their source of income. That would take a big bite out of the donation box. The bloodless JWs are good earners and have the money to donate. The Watchtower Society has created quite the perpetual loop.

Now the whole world is getting caught up into it. Blood management - the Golden Standard of Care. Just like those old whacked out Golden Age guys predicted back in the 20s - science would herald in the New World.

It looks like there are still a lot of people like those pre-JWs who still believe in the WTS' golden promise - the JWs who are invested heavily in the world of biotechnology have certainly taken it to heart and created their own cult from it.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

There is a huge market in the medical tourism industry and the JW bloodless demand is creating its own little niche in that market.

http://www.placidway.com/article/983/Bloodless-Surgery-Options-for-Jehovah-Witnesses

This is a list of Placidway's partners who provide service. I haven't had the time to track them down, but it might be interesting to see who is behind the medical tourism of bloodless surgery for JWs.

http://www.placidway.com/partners.php

The first US medical tourist for bloodless surgery in India was an American JW:

India is widely known as a key and preferred, low-cost destination for medical tourism among other Asian developing and African countries. In recent years, it has also emerged as a key destination even for citizens of Western countries. As an example, in December 2011, Jack Jones, a Jehovah’s Witness whose faith barred him from having blood transfusions, made headlines for being the first U.S. citizen to undergo a bloodless surgery in India.

http://www.bmmllp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/India-Law-News-Spring-Early-Summer-2012.pdf

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

You are welcome, Millie.

I had pointed out the Global Taurus expansion in India, their real estate concerns, and how that links to the JW expansion in that country. Another industry that has seen recent expansion in India is the bloodless industry - the one that is propelled and promoted by the SABM - the other JW cult - the one that deals in restricting blood and profits from it.

This is a recent article from India about how bloodless surgery is impacting the health care in India:

Bloodless surgeries grow from niche to volume play

By Vandana Kamath, Bangalore Mirror Bureau | Mar 19, 2014

Many city doctors, however, are now providing alternative treatment to community members. In fact, more than 100 surgeons are performing surgeries without blood transfusion for community members with focus on promoting medical tourism in the city.
Bangalore doctors have now become so adept at performing bloodless surgeries that they are getting Jehovah's Witnesses patients from other cities and countries. The city has several super speciality hospitals which perform bloodless surgeries, and there are even dedicated centres.

Ironically, the article has this little note at the bottom:

WHO ARE THE JW?
Jehovah's Witnesses is a sect with Christian background, but with beliefs distinct from mainstream Christianity. They believe that receiving blood from others is a violation of the Biblical commandment as God himself asked them to abstain from blood.

I would like to change that to::

Who is the blood management society that set the standards for the bloodless industry that your article speaks about?

It is SABM. They have set the standards for global blood management.

SABM is a society of Jehovah's Witnesses. The JWs themselves are the ones who profit financially from this new "bloodless" technology. The JWs that you speak about in your note are simply the ones who create a market for the profit of those who tell them what to do.

For a fairly update discussion on the state of blood management in subcontinent India, this is a complete article:

Surgical management in treatment of Jehovah's witness in trauma surgery in Indian subcontinent

It is a lengthy article but has good information in it. It tells you how a JW is handled in trauma, and the alternative drugs and treatments that they are given.

Here is something interesting. Who is medi-coin,com ? Apparently, if you have the foresight to pay attention to the JW growth in in India, and jump on the other WTS cult - the bloodless one - you can invest in the Indian bloodless market. *to add - their website says this "Golden Standard Health Care - Patient Driven - Saving Lives - Best Outcomes". Of course that is JW driven - who else drives and promotes that market?

All sorts of opportunities for investing in that market.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/wwwmedi-coincom/139878726022978

Or maybe...you could get into the travel business - you know, for that medical tourism trade to India.

*to add - I am having a difficult time with reconciling the paradox of allowing a tiny little group of people with radical views about medicine, direct and control the world's blood supply. There is something inherently wrong with that. It isn't right. That would be like telling me that the abortion clinic I am going to is actually owned by the Pope. Or that the profits from the birth control industry is what pays for his fancy robes.