Posts by OrphanCrow

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Mummy Dear Lies at Assemblies

by Tempest in a Teacup in

my zealously fanatic jw mum is aware of my current "tourist-jw" life.

what she doesn't know for sure is that she's part of the ones who brought me to this.. my mum was a quite moderate jw, she even got publically reproved once.

in our house, there was no daily text, no family study, no eating together, no preaching together, no watchtower study...even though she regularly checked my wt to see if i studied it.. being a single mother, she had a quite busy work schedule, so from the moment she woke up to the moment she went to bed, you'd better not waste a single minute of her time needlessly.

OrphanCrow

I told her that I don't get it when she goes about the circuit flaunting her parental skills family study wise because I have no memory whatsoever of us having any steady family study schedule. She blamed my memory and acted shocked.
I then realized (sadly) that she's done so much of it that she's begun to believe her own lies.

Ah Tempest. Your post rings familiar for me.

My mother is over 80 years old and the last time I saw her (a few years back), it was rather disturbing to listen to her re-construction of the years of abuse that she subjected her children to. In her mind, and in her statements, she was a model parent who NEVER hit her children. And, she made that assertion when she was standing six feet away from the spot that she beat me with a belt (buckle end) for the last time when I was 13 years old.

I was a bit shocked - my mother was a liar? - and then I realized that she had to lie. If she admitted the truth, she wouldn't be able to live with herself.

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Article published in Philippines - "Group offers to translate Bible into Pangasinan" Name of Group? WTS Remote Translaton Office

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/685988/group-offers-to-translate-bible-into-pangasinan.

group offers to translate bible into pangasinan .

skilled translators from various pangasinan-speaking towns work hard every day without pay at the remote translation office of the watch tower in san carlos city, pangasinan province, to translate english bibles and bible-based literature into the mother tongue.

OrphanCrow

An article related to the news story in the OP:

http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/education-for-children-should-empower-not-indoctrinate

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Huge Shift in Doctrine?

by Lemonp in

i am not sure why more people aren't talking about this?.

the march 15 study edition of the wt has some major changes!

- all unbiblical "types and antitypes" are now dropped.

OrphanCrow

They will never dump 1914 entirely.

Ah...the 1914 prophecy of Charles Russell. Supposedly the backbone of the JW tenet that they 'have the truth'. The one and only prophet that 'knew' that 1914 was significant in biblical prophecy.

However, Russell was not the only 'prophet' who heralded in the first world war.

Abdu'l-baha', the eldest son of Baha'ullah who was the founder of the Baha'i faith, is credited by the followers of Baha'i as accurately predicting the significance of 1914:

On a number of occasions 'Abdu'l-Bahá spoke of Armageddon in connection with the "Great War"' of 1914-1918. In an address delivered at Stanford University in October 1912 he is reported to have stated,
"We are on the eve of the battle of Armageddon, referred to in the 16th chapter of Revelation. The time is two years hence, when only a spark will set aflame the whole of Europe. The social unrest in all countries, the growing religious skepticism antecedent to the millennium are already here. Only a spark will set aflame the whole of Europe as is prophesied in the verses of Daniel and in the Book [Rev.] of John...."

http://bahai-library.com/lambden_catastrophe_millennium

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Clergy as Mandatory Reporters of Child Abuse and Neglect

by OrphanCrow in

in the united states, the statutes governing mandatory reporting of child abuse are determined at the state level with variances occurring between states.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubpdfs/clergymandated.pdf.

the statutes outlined in the above pdf are the statutes by which jw elders are accountable to according to the state in which they live.. candace conti's court case was filed in california and the reporting laws that apply to clergy in that state are as follows:.

OrphanCrow

GL Tirebiter: This statute consistently uses singular wording, not plural. That suggests that a Judicial Committee meeting would not be privileged as a penitential communication when than one elder is involved or if it includes witnesses. Is a legal professional in the audience able to confirm or refute this conclusion?

I am not a legal professional but the judge in the Conti case is one. This is what he said in relation to penitential communication:

The privilege for penitential communications does not apply unless the communication is made “in the presence of no third person so far as the penitent is aware,” a condition not satisfied at the Kendrick family meeting with the Congregation elders. (See Roman Catholic Archbishop of Los Angeles v. Los Angeles Superior Court, supra, 131 Cal.App.4th at pp. 444–445 [no privilege for communications 17 in church interventions with troubled priests because participants knew communications would likely be shared with more than one person].)

pg. 16 from

http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/A136641.PDF?hc_location=ufi

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Huge Shift in Doctrine?

by Lemonp in

i am not sure why more people aren't talking about this?.

the march 15 study edition of the wt has some major changes!

- all unbiblical "types and antitypes" are now dropped.

OrphanCrow

kaik: One of them is the 1918/1919 idiocy when they claimed that Bible Students were chosen by Jesus after for 3.5 years he was examining world's religion and discover a pack of prisoners charged with sedition in USA. I think it was 1919 year when they started to claim to be God's exclusive channel of communication.

That claim was not based on anything biblical or divine - the claim is rooted in the fact that the Watchtower Society purchased their own printing presses in 1919. The ownership of the printing presses is what gave the WTS their perceived authority. That authority did not come from 'God' - it came from money.

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Article published in Philippines - "Group offers to translate Bible into Pangasinan" Name of Group? WTS Remote Translaton Office

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/685988/group-offers-to-translate-bible-into-pangasinan.

group offers to translate bible into pangasinan .

skilled translators from various pangasinan-speaking towns work hard every day without pay at the remote translation office of the watch tower in san carlos city, pangasinan province, to translate english bibles and bible-based literature into the mother tongue.

OrphanCrow

The team also translated a popular children’s book, “Saray Istorya ed Biblia” (My Book of Bible Stories), which is being used as a reference material by teachers in several public elementary schools in Pangasinan as part of their mother tongue-based multilingual education program.

Of course. What an opportunity not to be passed up by the WTS - a $$literature order$$ that is paid for by government money.

The WTS motives for translating their literature into 'mother-tongue' languages has little to do with 'conversion' and everything to do with taking advantage of the profits to be made within the global market that is backed by initiatives to revitalize language.

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LATEST NEWS: CANDANCE CONTI VERIDICT READY - WT LOST!!!!!!!

by Viva la Vida in

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friends

i'm not an expert but that is my understanding of this: .

opinion filed.. (signed published) the judgment against defendants on the negligence count is affirmed.

the judgment against watchtower on the cause of action for punitive damages is reversed with directions to enter judgment for watchtower on punitive damages.

OrphanCrow

In the US:
Does the church have any legal duty whatsoever to provide physical protection for its church members (or their children) from the public or from other church members?

Yes. The church does have a legal duty to protect children from abuse and neglect.

The following link will take you to a pdf that outlines what the legal responsibilities of clergy are towards the care of minors. The statutes for each state varies somewhat, which varying degrees of legal culpability for each state.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/clergymandated.pdf

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Clergy as Mandatory Reporters of Child Abuse and Neglect

by OrphanCrow in

in the united states, the statutes governing mandatory reporting of child abuse are determined at the state level with variances occurring between states.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubpdfs/clergymandated.pdf.

the statutes outlined in the above pdf are the statutes by which jw elders are accountable to according to the state in which they live.. candace conti's court case was filed in california and the reporting laws that apply to clergy in that state are as follows:.

OrphanCrow

...I think we Canadians do a better job then our American cousins at the whole "separation of church and state" thing.

Vidiot - I think that the appearance of that is because Canada is so much smaller than the States. Canada can have better nation wide laws and policies concerning child abuse quite simply because it is easier to deal with in a smaller population.

The statutes as to how each state, and different countries, deal with the legalities and policies around child abuse reporting has a fairly wide variance.

I thought it might be important to several people on this forum to take the time out to research what the laws and statues are in the state/country they live in. It is good information for those who may be considering taking legal action. As well, this forum has members who are JW elders, or family members who are elders, and these statutes define their legal responsibilities from a secular standpoint rather than from what the WTS channels down the pipe.

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“We are not done yet!” – Candace Conti reacts to appeal court decision

by Watchtower-Free in

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/we-are-not-done-yet-candace-reacts-to-appeal-court-decision.

candace conti (pictured in her interview with abc) has spoken out for the first time about the appeal court decision.

as current and former jehovahs witnesses digest the news that watchtowers appeal against the candace conti verdict has faltered, albeit with the punitive element of the judgment reversed, candace has reacted for the first time by telling me: we are not done yet.. news spread on monday that the state appeals court in san francisco had upheld the $2.8 million compensatory damages in the original june 2012 verdict, but overturned the $8.6 million punitive award against watchtower.. the court decided that, though watchtower had neglected its responsibility to supervise known pedophile jonathan kendrick in field ministry, a church-sponsored activity, the organization had no duty to warn parents in the congregation that a pedophile was in their midst or report him to authorities.. an insightful report by investigative reporter trey bundy has suggested that the court reached its decision because the precedent set by the conti verdict might be too burdensome to enforce.. the burden would be considerable because the precedent could require a church to intervene whenever it has reason to believe that a congregation member is capable of doing harm, and the scope of that duty could not be limited with any precision, the judges wrote.. candaces attorney rick simons responded by pointedly telling bundy: they think in public policy terms that theres too much risk in broadening the churchs responsibility and liability so that it burdens what churches do.

OrphanCrow

Whoops, my mistake, no.
I meant just a general trend that happened in the 80s (although I think the CoG thing might have kicked it off).

Vidiot, I think you have brought up a pertinent point in regards to how the Conti case has been played out in the courts to this date.

It is valuable to understand the context of what Candace's legal team is up against. California is the birth place of the Children of God cult that faced many accusations of child abuse during its formative years in the 70s and 80s (and it still continues). It is against that cultural background that this particular case is being fought.

Changing laws through the process of court battles is a long and arduous undertaking. Candace and her legal team deserve the utmost respect for their dedication and hard won victories.

The rewards will have reverberations in the years to come.

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“We are not done yet!” – Candace Conti reacts to appeal court decision

by Watchtower-Free in

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/we-are-not-done-yet-candace-reacts-to-appeal-court-decision.

candace conti (pictured in her interview with abc) has spoken out for the first time about the appeal court decision.

as current and former jehovahs witnesses digest the news that watchtowers appeal against the candace conti verdict has faltered, albeit with the punitive element of the judgment reversed, candace has reacted for the first time by telling me: we are not done yet.. news spread on monday that the state appeals court in san francisco had upheld the $2.8 million compensatory damages in the original june 2012 verdict, but overturned the $8.6 million punitive award against watchtower.. the court decided that, though watchtower had neglected its responsibility to supervise known pedophile jonathan kendrick in field ministry, a church-sponsored activity, the organization had no duty to warn parents in the congregation that a pedophile was in their midst or report him to authorities.. an insightful report by investigative reporter trey bundy has suggested that the court reached its decision because the precedent set by the conti verdict might be too burdensome to enforce.. the burden would be considerable because the precedent could require a church to intervene whenever it has reason to believe that a congregation member is capable of doing harm, and the scope of that duty could not be limited with any precision, the judges wrote.. candaces attorney rick simons responded by pointedly telling bundy: they think in public policy terms that theres too much risk in broadening the churchs responsibility and liability so that it burdens what churches do.

OrphanCrow

Vidiot: ...they're concerned about pedophile witch-hunts similar to what happened in the 80s, when a public freakout occurred and overly-zealous cops and lawyers ended up sending innocent men to prison...

Are you referring to the Children of God abuse accusations that occurred during that time in California?

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