OrphanCrow

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  German Website

  by OrphanCrow in

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  http://jessussirach.jimdo.com/.

  a few years ago, i found some youtube videos that had been made by a german exjw.

  i really liked his videos, both the ones he did about the german jws and the other videos he posted (im himmel and pompfinewra are incredible).

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  OrphanCrow

  http://jessussirach.jimdo.com/videos-%C3%BCber-jz-i/
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  German Website

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://jessussirach.jimdo.com/.

  a few years ago, i found some youtube videos that had been made by a german exjw.

  i really liked his videos, both the ones he did about the german jws and the other videos he posted (im himmel and pompfinewra are incredible).

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  OrphanCrow

  It is not all in German.

  The video The True Story Behind Caleb is in English.
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  German Website

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://jessussirach.jimdo.com/.

  a few years ago, i found some youtube videos that had been made by a german exjw.

  i really liked his videos, both the ones he did about the german jws and the other videos he posted (im himmel and pompfinewra are incredible).

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  OrphanCrow

  http://jessussirach.jimdo.com/

  A few years ago, I found some youtube videos that had been made by a German exJW. I really liked his videos, both the ones he did about the German JWs and the other videos he posted (Im Himmel and Pompfinewra are incredible). I was very disappointed when I discovered that his videos had been removed from youtube over copyright violations.

  I am pretty excited to find out that I can still access his material.

  I thought that our German members will be able to appreciate these - jessussirach's library of videos, photos and text is extensive. I am sure it will keep you busy for some time. I only wish I could read and speak German.

  Enjoy!
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  Deposition of Richard Ashe

  by truthseekeriam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lopez-11exhibit-8-to-dec-of-copley-iso-opp-to-plnts-mfs.pdf.

  did any of you guys sit down and read this??

  it's long but i assure you it's a great read.. .

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  OrphanCrow

  Here is something I am curious about.

  Do the Watchtower men have their own bible they bring in to court to lay their hand on and swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

  Do they use the court bible or do they bring their Silver Sword to court with them?
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  Deposition of Richard Ashe

  by truthseekeriam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lopez-11exhibit-8-to-dec-of-copley-iso-opp-to-plnts-mfs.pdf.

  did any of you guys sit down and read this??

  it's long but i assure you it's a great read.. .

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  OrphanCrow

  Ashe was not on a witness stand in a court room. This is out of court testimony.

  It's part of the discovery process pre-trail. There was not a judge present.

  You are absolutely right. I got caught up with the response and fell into the comment made as to why the judge didn't stop the objections. Sorry.

  Very telling that the wt attorneys objected at almost every question.

  That is their job. They are supposed to object when there are things said in the question that are a point of issue.

  What I got from the objections is that the concern was over the term 'policy' as opposed to 'beliefs and practices'. And, the other concern was when the term 'organization' was used - especially if 'Watchtower Society' was referred to instead of Jehovah's Witnesses. There seemed to be a matter of which 'part' of that organization was being referred to in the question. These are critical legal points when it comes to determining lines of authority.
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  Deposition of Richard Ashe

  by truthseekeriam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lopez-11exhibit-8-to-dec-of-copley-iso-opp-to-plnts-mfs.pdf.

  did any of you guys sit down and read this??

  it's long but i assure you it's a great read.. .

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  OrphanCrow

  It is not exactly what was said. It is what the recorder heard. Let's get real. Zalkin never referred to a "body builders" letter. He referred to "body of elders" letter but the recorder misheard and repeatedly entered "body builders letter.

  There are obvious errors. This is just one example.

  That is correct. That is what the recorder heard. And what the recorder wrote down.

  Yes, it is the wrong word. We know that. But it was how the word was pronounced in the courtroom that led to that error.

  This is a typical court document.

  I don't understand the problem people are having reading it. This is what court transcripts look like and read like.
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  Deposition of Richard Ashe

  by truthseekeriam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lopez-11exhibit-8-to-dec-of-copley-iso-opp-to-plnts-mfs.pdf.

  did any of you guys sit down and read this??

  it's long but i assure you it's a great read.. .

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  OrphanCrow

  I may be asking the unreasonable, but context should be important for a stenographer too.

  Sorry...but context has absolutely zero to do with court transcribing.

  Giving the stenographer the leeway to add 'context' would sabotage the intent of the transcription.

  A transcript is meant to free of bias. Giving the stenographer that leeway would add bias to what was said.
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  Deposition of Richard Ashe

  by truthseekeriam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lopez-11exhibit-8-to-dec-of-copley-iso-opp-to-plnts-mfs.pdf.

  did any of you guys sit down and read this??

  it's long but i assure you it's a great read.. .

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  OrphanCrow

  She/he wrote "one and five" instead of "one in five" as the context suggests. In other places he/she may have commited the same error.

  I noticed that too. However, I recognized it as a speaker error and not a transcription error. If the court transcriber wrote down 'and', it is because 'and' was the word used by the speaker.

  In some transcripts that I have read, the court transcriber will put in brackets the word 'phonetic'...meaning that the word is written as spoken. So a court transcript disregards even correct pronunciation - they use the word as it is said.

  As I said before, a person makes many errors in spoken speech that are rarely picked up on if we are just listening - our brain makes the corrections for us when we are the listener, but when the spoken word is written down, the speech errors become evident.

  I noticed that the whole thing is in video too. Is the stenographer allowed to see that video to correct obvious transcription errors before printing and distributing the final product?

  I believe that with video taped proceedings, the video is used to supplement the transcript in order to increase accuracy. An accurate, word for word account is the objective of court transcripts.
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  Deposition of Richard Ashe

  by truthseekeriam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lopez-11exhibit-8-to-dec-of-copley-iso-opp-to-plnts-mfs.pdf.

  did any of you guys sit down and read this??

  it's long but i assure you it's a great read.. .

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  OrphanCrow

  You are most welcome, neverajw. Thank you for your kind words...I am sure you are not the only one 'keeping n eye on me'. Lol!

  As far as the court transcripts go - the reason that I like them so much is that a person gets word for word testimony and word for word what the court says. It isn't somebody else's opinion on what was said - it is exactly what was said - including all the little errors we make in ordinary speech. The way that a person giving testimony puts together their statements can be revealing all by itself. It becomes more than the words themselves - the way it is said has importance.
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  Deposition of Richard Ashe

  by truthseekeriam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lopez-11exhibit-8-to-dec-of-copley-iso-opp-to-plnts-mfs.pdf.

  did any of you guys sit down and read this??

  it's long but i assure you it's a great read.. .

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  OrphanCrow

  http://www.justice.gov.yk.ca/pdf/Final_Transcript_Manual_2014.pdf

  The chief concern when producing a transcript is to ensure that it is an accurate
  verbatim record of proceedings. Transcribers must certify or attest on each
  transcript that it is a true and faithful record of the proceedings transcribed. Since
  any transcript may become the basis of a subsequent legal action (such as an
  appeal), the necessity for truth and accuracy cannot be over-emphasized.
  Because of the need for faithful reproduction, transcribers bear a heavy
  responsibility. They must not guess as to the spoken word, but must in all cases
  transcribe exactly what was said. A reporter/recorder who transcribes a record
  has a duty to not only transcribe accurately, but also to ensure that the oral
  comments and testimony of all parties can be heard properly at the time the
  proceedings take place.

  This is from a manual put out by the government of Yukon - I picked it because the wording is pretty clear. The rules for court transcribing are fairly consistent regardless of which court is being transcribed.