Posts by OrphanCrow

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Dear supporters of Russia's JW Ban:

by Jehalapeno in

this is the kind of government you are supporting.. over 100 gay men have been sent to concentration camps for homosexuals in chechnya and three people have been killed.. stop supporting fascism.. if you support the russia jw ban, what other thoughts and beliefs are you ok with policing?.

if you support the jw russia ban, have you read george orwell's 1984?

don't you realize you are advocating for literal fascism when you support the banning of a belief system?

OrphanCrow

LoveUni: The Russian gov is better off copying the ARC by going after the paedo, blood and shunning issues.

I am not sure about the pedo issues, but Russia has already went after the WTS for exactly those things. I don't know why so many people think that this action being taken by Russian authorities has been just pulled out of their asses. It hasn't. Blood and shunning are issues that have been addressed in Russian courts on numerous occasions.

This situation has built up over the past 3 decades. The WTS has insisted on pushing the Russian law concerning religious activity, constantly refusing to abide by the restrictions put on religious groups, refusing to change shunning and blood...and now this. The upcoming ban.

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Dear supporters of Russia's JW Ban:

by Jehalapeno in

this is the kind of government you are supporting.. over 100 gay men have been sent to concentration camps for homosexuals in chechnya and three people have been killed.. stop supporting fascism.. if you support the russia jw ban, what other thoughts and beliefs are you ok with policing?.

if you support the jw russia ban, have you read george orwell's 1984?

don't you realize you are advocating for literal fascism when you support the banning of a belief system?

OrphanCrow

Freemind, the problem is far more complex than that.

Of course there will be people who cannot escape the cult, just like there are some women who never are able to escape the bonds of an abusive spouse. But...just saying, "let's educate those women and drop the laws that condemn the abuser", isn't a very socially responsible position to take.

Both have to occur for a victim to "escape" - education and socially constructed laws that condemn the abuser.

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Dear supporters of Russia's JW Ban:

by Jehalapeno in

this is the kind of government you are supporting.. over 100 gay men have been sent to concentration camps for homosexuals in chechnya and three people have been killed.. stop supporting fascism.. if you support the russia jw ban, what other thoughts and beliefs are you ok with policing?.

if you support the jw russia ban, have you read george orwell's 1984?

don't you realize you are advocating for literal fascism when you support the banning of a belief system?

OrphanCrow

JW's take bans, and use it as fuel for propaganda like this:

So what? Does that mean that everybody else should back down from asserting their right to be free from religion just because of what that religion will do next? Isn't that part of the problem? That the religion controls others by how they will behave when you say "no" to them? Isn't that a bit like a toddler throwing a tantrum hoping that mommy will still let them have their candy?

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Dear supporters of Russia's JW Ban:

by Jehalapeno in

this is the kind of government you are supporting.. over 100 gay men have been sent to concentration camps for homosexuals in chechnya and three people have been killed.. stop supporting fascism.. if you support the russia jw ban, what other thoughts and beliefs are you ok with policing?.

if you support the jw russia ban, have you read george orwell's 1984?

don't you realize you are advocating for literal fascism when you support the banning of a belief system?

OrphanCrow

Sanchy: Not to hijack the thread, but I'd argue that there's a blurred line between Communism and pure Socialism. Aren't the controllers/owners of all property, business and/or residential, in a purely Marxist state for all intents and purposes the state itself?

There is no argument. Of course the line is blurred. And, not just on the left (communist) side...the line is fuzzy on the right (fascist) side too.

Socialism is where politics are played out - it is the middle part of the spectrum where public political games are played. It is that middle sector that the ends fight over. Win the middle ground, and you win the game.

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Dear supporters of Russia's JW Ban:

by Jehalapeno in

this is the kind of government you are supporting.. over 100 gay men have been sent to concentration camps for homosexuals in chechnya and three people have been killed.. stop supporting fascism.. if you support the russia jw ban, what other thoughts and beliefs are you ok with policing?.

if you support the jw russia ban, have you read george orwell's 1984?

don't you realize you are advocating for literal fascism when you support the banning of a belief system?

OrphanCrow

roberto: I think you are a little bit confused..

I think so too.

The only way that a person can stand up against a totalitarian society is to get rid of the roots of it. And that includes standing up for the rights of everyone in society, not just those who want to step on everybody else's rights.

Freedom of religion stops at the point it treads on freedom from religion. And, everybody has that fundamental right too - to be free from religion. How do you satisfy both?

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Dear supporters of Russia's JW Ban:

by Jehalapeno in

this is the kind of government you are supporting.. over 100 gay men have been sent to concentration camps for homosexuals in chechnya and three people have been killed.. stop supporting fascism.. if you support the russia jw ban, what other thoughts and beliefs are you ok with policing?.

if you support the jw russia ban, have you read george orwell's 1984?

don't you realize you are advocating for literal fascism when you support the banning of a belief system?

OrphanCrow

Communism = when government controls/owns business

Fascism = when business controls/owns government

Socialism = mid point between the two extremes (the middle ground)

OP, I don't think you understand your political terms correctly. I think the term you are looking for is "totalitarianism". Which can exist at both ends of the political spectrum (communists are far left and fascists are far right). The other place you can find totalitarian societies is in fringe/extremist/fundamentalist religions.

You might want to read up a little about Chechnya too. It will help you to understand that simply pointing a finger at Russia and screaming fascism is a bit myopic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya

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Animals, Blood, Food, and JW Beliefs

by dubstepped in

i'm just thinking aloud here.

i watched a show yesterday and they were talking about how the largest mammals of the sea (whales) fed on such small creatures (plankton) rather than eating some other large creatures.

anyway, it got me thinking about how as jws we thought that in paradise animals would all be herbivores, that they would no longer eat other animals.

OrphanCrow

I think Jehovah has a handle on the blood sucking animal world. He has got it all figured out.

It is simple - the blood suckers only actually use "fractions" of the blood they suck. The rest just gets pooped out. Spilled on the ground.

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Animals, Blood, Food, and JW Beliefs

by dubstepped in

i'm just thinking aloud here.

i watched a show yesterday and they were talking about how the largest mammals of the sea (whales) fed on such small creatures (plankton) rather than eating some other large creatures.

anyway, it got me thinking about how as jws we thought that in paradise animals would all be herbivores, that they would no longer eat other animals.

OrphanCrow

Nine Creatures that drink the blood of other animals:

Vampire finch (Geospiza difficilis septentrionalis) ...
Assassin bugs (Reduviidae family) ...
Vampire flying frog (Rhacophorus vampyrus) ...
Kenyan jumping spider (Evarcha culicivora) ...
Tongue-eating louse (Cymothoa exigua) ...
Vampire moth (Calyptra thalictri) ...

Vampire fish (Vandellia cirrhosa) ...
The vampire bacterium.

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DPA Cards: Word Has Come Down To Badger People

by JW_Rogue in

i know this must be coming down from the top because the elders in my hall who didn't really care before are all concerned about it.

must be on the list of things to do before the co comes back around.

in past years i never really thought about the dpa.

OrphanCrow

Giordano: The made up blood doctrine as it pertains to Transfusions was designed and maintained out of ignorance

Regardless of why the transfusion ban was put in place to begin with, the inevitable outcome was that the WTS created a group of people who have a rare blood disorder. They made up a "disease", a medical disorder. And gave it to all the JWs worldwide.

The world of bioethics has had to deal with the conundrum of personal choice in medical decisions, as it pertains to the taking of blood, and the past several decades has seen much literature and court judgments generated because of the WT's blood ban. However, what the WTS is guilty of is monumental in scope. The WTS gave the JWs a medical disorder - a made-up "disease". A rare blood disorder.

"When you give somebody a disease — even by the standards of their time — you really cross the key ethical norm of the profession," said Arthur Caplan, director of the University of Pennsylvania's Center for Bioethics.

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Pretoria resident says - before high court in South Africa - he is the anointed one !

by ZAPPA-ESQUE in

pretoria [ south africa] - an unusual urgent application served before the gauteng high court this week,in which a lyttelton manor resident, who said he is was known as the “anointed one” among jehovah’s witnesses, asked the court to officially swear him in as the worldwide leader of the organisation.. ernest gericke, in papers before the court, told judge bill prinsloo that the “first business of the christ is the legal establishment of the kingdom of god on earth, known as the jehovah’s kingdom.” .

gericke said this involved the the conducting of a covenant for a kingdom, which is to take place on april 11. .

“in order to effect the legal requirements for the kingdom this honourable court is requested to hear the public oath of the office of the king.

OrphanCrow

Thanks for posting that photo, Earnest.

Ernest, aka "the anointed one", has that shiny, smiling face of insanity. I have come to view all religiously devout people as at least slightly insane. The True Believers have the Jehovah Glow all over them...sprinkled with the Holy Spirit fairy dust. Clean and shiny faces. A camouflage for true insanity