Posts by OrphanCrow

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JW Reaction to Royal Commission Reports

by maksutov in

has anybody confronted any jws with the royal commission reports on the news yet?

i showed my 8-year old daughter a newspaper headline about it, and when she told my jw wife that the jws in australia were in trouble for not reporting over 1,000 child abusers to police, her response was "oh, really?

well, i don't know what the rules are over there.

OrphanCrow

Oubilette: "Oh, really? Well, I don't know what the rules are over there."
Wow, that's lame. Really lame.

It sure reveals their lack of independent thought.

The JWs are a rule based culture. They view the world as split into "worldly rules" and "our rules". And of course, worldly rules are bad and their rules are good.

I don't think the JWs are capable of viewing the world in any other way except rule based. The JWs use their "rules" as a safety fence that protects them from that big, bad world out there. Only trouble is, those rules are what keeps the wolves inside the fence instead of keeping them out.

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Cossacks attack, throw stones at Jehovahs Witnesses in RC while local police watched

by oppostate in

07/23/2015russiacossacks attack, throw stones at jehovah's witnessesby nina achmatova.

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/cossacks-attack,-throw-stones-at-jehovahs-witnesses-34845.html.

jehovah's witnesses were meeting in congress on 10-12 july in krymsk, krasnodar region.

OrphanCrow

LoveUniHateExams: Cossacks (interesting-sounding word - possibly related to the word Kazakhs?)

"Cossack" actually means "free man". The Cossacks earned that name because of their belief in a free, democratic society. (kozac - not Kazakhs).

The name "Cossack" is synonymous with "freedom fighter" because of the Cossacks' tendency to pick up arms and fight on the side of the underprivileged. Historically, the Cossacks were seen as the "knights" of Imperial Russia and the protectors of Russian people. At one time, the seven Cossack clans that guarded the borders of Imperial Russia were called "The Seven Pearls of Russia".

*to add - the Cossack political alliance was split in the years leading up to the Revolution. The "red" Cossacks aligned themselves with the Bolsheviks and the "white" Cossacks remained loyal to the Tzar and Imperial Russia.

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Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

by AudeSapere in

jw
friends

dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

-aude..

OrphanCrow

Ding: "I don't recall" sounds like, "We get so many of these I can't keep track of them all."

Yes, You are right.

Dino told the judge that "some things stick in a person's memory but others don't" (sic).

Which could be interpreted to mean "I don't recall because it wasn't important enough to stick in my memory".

The lack of recall is damning whichever you look at it. If they can't remember child abuse being reported to them it means that the abuse was insignificant in their minds.

For guys who can't remember most things asked of them, they sure can launch into detailed explanations at times when it comes time to explain their actions.

"I don't recall" means "I can't reply without lying".

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Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

by AudeSapere in

jw
friends

dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

-aude..

OrphanCrow

........
Asked how long ago he was asked to appear at this inquiry ? About 4-6 weeks ago .
My words not his ,but that is the gist of it.
smiddy

...and the judge raised his eyebrows at Bello's responses.

I don't think that the judge was too impressed that Bello hadn't prepared for his testimony. The Commission has prepared several guides for witnesses called to the hearing and Bello had made no effort to educate himself on the process.

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Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

by AudeSapere in

jw
friends

dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

-aude..

OrphanCrow

Huh. Dino's conversion story published in the Feb. 2012 Watchtower.

file:///C:/Users/PC/Downloads/wp_E_20120201.pdf

Page 10.

“I love being part of
this large family.”
—DINO ALI

Hmmm. I wonder how much he will love that "large family" if this commission results in him being charged in criminal court.

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Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

by AudeSapere in

jw
friends

dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

-aude..

OrphanCrow

Dino actually told the judge that if he knew of a murder, that he would not report it to the police.

OMGog.

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Did you know? The Watchtower called Filipinos lazy and barbaric, and CTR wrote letter to U.S. President to sell the Philippines to Japan?

by Gilgamesh in

100 years ago: wt calls filipinos lazy, barbaric; asks president to sell philippines to japan.

http://ad1914.com/.../100-years-ago-july-1915-russell-claims.../.

100 years ago: april 1915 - russell claims filipinos are lazy, barbaric; asks us president to.... main points:.

OrphanCrow

Quarterback: Well, Russel never took a Cruise vacation.

Yes he did. He took a cruise to Hawaii and falsely reported that he had given a sermon while there:

http://www.stevedaily.com/Exposing_Jehovahs_Witnesses.html

on February 19th, 1912, the Brooklyn Daily
Eagle reported that Russell traveled extensively and sent back sermons that he supposedly
delivered back to the United States. The Eagle contended that Russell never delivered these
sermons in places like Hawaii to a "large audience." The Editor of the Hawaiian Star wrote
that Russell appeared for a few hours in Hawaii but didn't make his expected public address.
This was typical of many other documented accounts.

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Royal Commission convened for now, but Jackson is an asshole

by umbertoecho in

i have just finished listening to this man jackson.

i remember him well.

he is twisting things around as much as he is allowed.

OrphanCrow

Sheesh. It is appearing like every single JW elder suffers from Alzheimer's disease. Or maybe they have all had a lobotomy.

Their most common response is "I can't remember" or "I can't recall".

The elders are coming across as having no personal autonomy whatsoever because their next favorite response is "whatever the branch tells me to do".

The elders refuse to give their own opinion on anything or take responsibility for their actions. They continually shift the blame.

The judge looks disgusted with their responses.

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Update on Royal Commission

by umbertoecho in

paedophiles repeatedly promoted to positions of authority in jehovahs witness church royal commission told.

1 hour ago july 27, 2015 12:45pm.

counsel assisting the royal commission, angus stewart sc has told the royal commission that church elders could now face criminal charges.

OrphanCrow

Oops...I called the lawyer for the Commission "Sinclair" and his name is "Stewart". I am horrible on names. Damn...I even call my daughter by my son's name sometimes...or my bird's name. Or the dog's name...

Oh, there's a reply, all right.

True. But nothing that makes logical sense according to biblical interpretation.

We know what the answer is...but Horley could never say it. He would be kicked to the curb by the WTS without a moment's hesitation.

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FOTW on FB

by oppostate in

if you have a facebook account head on over to: https://www.facebook.com/groups/flagsoftheworld/.

they're discussing the jw flags that showed up at the rc.. one jw seems to be asking why would it be strange for the wt to have a flag for their religion.. i dunno, maybe because flags can be symbolic idols according to previous wt teachings?.

OrphanCrow

The irony of the JW flag is that their claim that flags were "idol worship" apparently doesn't apply to their own flag now. The WTS is duplicitous in how they apply Bible verses only when it is convenient for them.

In 1943, in the United States Supreme Court, the WTS used the Bible verse in Exodus that condemns idol worship as the religious grounds for refusing to salute the flag:

https://scholar.google.ca/scholar_case?case=8030119134463419441&q=jehovah%27s+witnesses+flag&hl=en&as_sdt=2006

Appellees, citizens of the United States and of West Virginia, brought suit in the United States District Court for themselves and others similarly situated asking its injunction to restrain enforcement of these laws and regulations against Jehovah'sWitnesses. The Witnesses are an unincorporated body teaching that the obligation imposed by law of God is superior to that of laws enacted by temporal government. Their religious beliefs include a literal version of Exodus, Chapter 20, verses 4 and 5, which says: "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; thou shalt not bow down thyself to them nor serve them." They consider that the flag is an "image" within this command. For this reason they refuse to salute it.

And it wasn't just the US flag that they claimed was an issue. They claimed that allegiance to any flag was a violation of God's law:

The statute requires the appellees to participate in a ceremony aimed at inculcating respect for the flag and for this country. The Jehovah's Witnesses, without any desire to show disrespect for either the flag or the country, interpret the Bible as commanding, at the risk of God's displeasure, that they not go through the form of a pledge of allegiance to any flag. The devoutness of their belief is evidenced by their willingness to suffer persecution and punishment, rather than make the pledge.