In Canada, that tape would be a legal piece of evidence. A person is allowed to tape/videotape a conversation or interaction with someone else without their knowledge. The only person who needs to give consent is the person who taped it if they are one of the parties involved.3rdgen: I have a relative whose wife told the elders he was physically abusing her. They wanted to meet with him. He wanted to prove his innocence and show that actually it was HER who was abusive so he videotaped several episodes of her fits of rage.
His elders (California) flatly refused to even look at the tapes. Legal must have told them that there must be consent to be taped and consent for said tape to be viewed by others.
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Can a video involving a christien having sex be viewed and used by elders?
by StephaneLaliberte inlets say someone has a sexual encounter and a third party video taps it.
in canada, it would be illegal for the one that taped the video to show it to the elders as this would be "invasion of privacy".
what i am wondering however is if any legal action can be done against the elders and the wt if they view this video and take it into account in a judicial comity.
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Can a video involving a christien having sex be viewed and used by elders?
by StephaneLaliberte inlets say someone has a sexual encounter and a third party video taps it.
in canada, it would be illegal for the one that taped the video to show it to the elders as this would be "invasion of privacy".
what i am wondering however is if any legal action can be done against the elders and the wt if they view this video and take it into account in a judicial comity.
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ecan6: Lets say someone has a sexual encounter and a third party video taps it. In Canada, it would be illegal for the one that taped the video to show it to the elders as this would be "invasion of privacy". What I am wondering however is if any legal action can be done against the elders and the WT if they view this video and take it into account in a Judicial Comity.
Are any of the parties in the tape underage?
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2001 Symposium on "Problems of Bloodless Surgery" in Moscow - Sherri Ozawa explains the HLC and bloodless medicine clinics
by OrphanCrow ina few years ago, prior to researching the field of "bloodless medicine", i was under the mistaken impression that bloodless surgery was a field of medicine that sat "outside" of the watchtower influence and operated as a part of mainstream medicine.
since that time, i have discovered that "bloodless medicine" has been founded and maintained by the watchtower society itself.
bloodless medicine is the watchtower society - it has been organized by people who have been trained by the wts and therefore, the bloodless industry is controlled by the wts.
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Yes, Rebel, we are definitely in the same camp! I agree with everything you said.
As with many other things, wts steps up and takes credit for certain things they did and did not do, while at other times they pretend as though others did things they did. They flip back and forth between these strategies as the situation suits their needs. (They do this with the Holocaust, neurolinguistic programming, and the US civil rights movement, among other things. It's a standard strategy of theirs.)
Yes, yes, and yes. This is what is the most difficult to deal with and the most wrong - the deception. The WTS uses strategies that are not transparent or honest. Each and every one of us knows that if a person is an active JW, that they MUST toe the WTS line. There is no other option. A JW thinks and behaves exactly the way that the WTS tells them to. They do not have the option to behave independently. The entire bloodless medicine/blood management industry has been founded by JWs trained by the WTS and most people in the general population and even medical professionals themselves do not know this. The JWs who founded, and continue to promote these industries, rarely/never declare their affiliation with the WTS - they never say that they are JWs.
Well, that would be like the Catholic nuns running abortion clinics but never telling people about their religious affiliation. When JWs like Farmer and Hoffman are involved in influencing how blood is to be used for the general population, I have a HUGE problem with that. HUGE.
I don't think that the pope should be involved in telling doctors how abortions should be conducted, and I don't think that the pope should be invested in birth control pills. Likewise, I don't think the WTS or the JWs that they train and control, should have anything at all to do with MY health care or anybody else's that isn't a JW. The WTS is way out of line with how they have influenced and lobbied the medical profession.
Shannon Farmer sometimes has said that he is a "consumer advocate" and there he goes, advocating for... who? For you? Or for the JWs? Which consumer does he represent? And why? I know one thing - he does NOT represent me. I do NOT want a JW of any kind, shape or form involved in my medical care.
Gioradan: The fact that the Society is involved in bloodless surgery has, in my opinion, little to do with an attempt to save lives since they could do that by simply "decriminalizing" the Blood ban, but more to do with keeping this barbaric line of reasoning in place and avoid the massive outcry from their followers should it be lifted.
This is why the blood ban is SO important to the WTS:
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The WTS has always lobbied the medical community. They have invested money since day one of the blood ban into promoting their brand of medicine. They have produced tons of literature and media over the years to promote their no blood ideology to mainstream medicine. Just stop and think for a minute about how much it would cost to establish and maintain their HLC network. The literature alone that is produced for the HLC network is a huge cost. Training costs. Traveling costs. What about those two bigwigs who attended the Moscow conference I posted who came from the WTS' "International Hospital Information Services"?
Where does the money come from to organize, train, travel, and maintain the whole hospital information system, including HLC, program coordinators,etc, etc.? Is it part of congregational donations? Who finances the HLC and the Hospital Information network???
I don't buy for one second that the WTS has invested all that time and money into influencing the medical community simply to avoid law suits or "help the JWs".
When a business spends money on something, it is called an investment. Spending money in an area means that there is a potential profit in that area. If the WTS wasn't making money on their blood ban, the blood ban wouldn't be in place. They wouldn't spend money on no blood promotion if they weren't seeing a financial return on it.
Who or what finances the WTS' HLC and the entire Hospital Information network???
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2001 Symposium on "Problems of Bloodless Surgery" in Moscow - Sherri Ozawa explains the HLC and bloodless medicine clinics
by OrphanCrow ina few years ago, prior to researching the field of "bloodless medicine", i was under the mistaken impression that bloodless surgery was a field of medicine that sat "outside" of the watchtower influence and operated as a part of mainstream medicine.
since that time, i have discovered that "bloodless medicine" has been founded and maintained by the watchtower society itself.
bloodless medicine is the watchtower society - it has been organized by people who have been trained by the wts and therefore, the bloodless industry is controlled by the wts.
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I can't read Russian, either, opusder, that is why Google translate is so valuable.
Bloodless surgery is ineffective in major blood loss. Bloodless surgery methods are not suitable for everybody or for every circumstance.
In some cases, the methods used for bloodless surgery can actually increase the need for allogenic blood transfusions. And...the risks of artificial blood are greater that the risks of allogenic blood transfusion.
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Child Abuse - "I don't care. I haven't got any children".
by cofty inearlier this week i bumped into a couple of jws who i recognised from the cult cart.
a few months ago i had a long conversation with him one of them and found him to be quite friendly.
he is new to the area in the years since i left.. this time he was very defensive and said he wasn't allowed to talk to me.
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SophiaRose: Also parents need to take better care of their young. Yes, parents.
...ummmm...I hate to break this to you, SophiaRose, but many children are sexually abused by their own parents.
Sexual abuse quite often is found within the family itself. Saying that the parents need to take better care is true - the parents have to stop abusing their own children. Pretending that it is the "big bad" monster that is outside of the family circle that is the one to watch out for ignores familial abuse cycles.
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2001 Symposium on "Problems of Bloodless Surgery" in Moscow - Sherri Ozawa explains the HLC and bloodless medicine clinics
by OrphanCrow ina few years ago, prior to researching the field of "bloodless medicine", i was under the mistaken impression that bloodless surgery was a field of medicine that sat "outside" of the watchtower influence and operated as a part of mainstream medicine.
since that time, i have discovered that "bloodless medicine" has been founded and maintained by the watchtower society itself.
bloodless medicine is the watchtower society - it has been organized by people who have been trained by the wts and therefore, the bloodless industry is controlled by the wts.
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A few years ago, prior to researching the field of "bloodless medicine", I was under the mistaken impression that bloodless surgery was a field of medicine that sat "outside" of the Watchtower influence and operated as a part of mainstream medicine. Since that time, I have discovered that "bloodless medicine" has been founded and maintained by the Watchtower Society itself.
Bloodless medicine is the Watchtower Society - it has been organized by people who have been trained by the WTS and therefore, the bloodless industry is controlled by the WTS.
http://roman142.blogspot.ca/2013/11/1-2.html
In 2001 an international symposium "Problems of Bloodless Surgery" was held in Moscow, Russia. Included in those who organized the symposium were two representatives from the Watchtower Society, one from the New York International Hospital Information Service and another from the Russian branch of the same organization:
- M. Adzhiboye - surgeon, director of the Russian branch of the International Hospital Information Service, New York, USA;
- MV Cusco - the surgeon, deputy. director of the Russian branch of the International Service for hospital information, St. Petersburg;Also organizing this symposium was a well known American doctor from Englewood Hospital in New Jersey.
- A. Shander - director of the Center bloodless surgery clinic Englewood, New Jersey, USA.
Shander is intimately connected to the JWs who established organized bloodless surgery clinics and he was a founding member, along with several HLC members, of the Society for Blood Management that was founded the same year that this Moscow symposium was held. Shander has published extensively on bloodless medicine and is a primary mover and shaker for blood management programs. At this symposium in Moscow, he presented several papers from professionals involved with the Englewood Hospital.
The Moscow symposium in 2001 had been preceded by several other conferences that dealt with issues around bloodless surgery and blood management. The collection of papers presented included selected papers presented at a series of international symposiums:
Bloodless surgery on threshold of XXI century - a modern view on transfusion therapy
- Regional Hospital, St. Petersburg, April 19, 1999
MODERN APPROACHES TO Transfusion tactics in oncology and hematology
- Russian Cancer Research Center, Moscow, April 21, 1999
WAYS OF PREVENTION AND TREATMENT OF BLEEDING in obstetrics and gynecology
- Scientific Center for Obstetrics, Gynecology and Perinatology, Moscow, April 23, 1999The collection also included a number of reports from the conference "Modern approaches to transfusion tactics in surgery and anesthesiology" (Yekaterinburg, June 1, 1999) and "New in Transfusion" (Moscow, 23 May 2000).
One of the papers presented was from Sherri Ozawa, who is a Jehovah's Witness herself. In this paper, she explains the role of the HLC and the expanded role of the "program coordinator" of the bloodless medicine clinics/hospitals and how bloodless medicine clinics are intricately linked to the WTS and people whom the WTS has trained to oversee the advancement of their no blood doctrine.
The content and purpose of the program "Bloodless Medicine"
1 S. Ozawa, the coordinator of the "Bloodless Medicine".
Center for Bloodless Medicine Clinic in Englewood, New Jersey, USA.After an introduction that discusses the JW religious and legal position concerning blood transfusions, Ozawa gives information on how the WTS' Hospital Liasion Committees were formed, and the role of the "Program Coordinator" of the bloodless medicine clinics/hospitals. Within "bloodless" clinics, the program coordinator (a JW trained by the WTS) takes over the role of the HLC. The bloodless clinic, therefore, becomes a highly organized WTS controlled environment.
(translated from Russian)
7 It is important to emphasize that the term "bloodless" in itself can be misleading. This does not mean the absence of bleeding or blood minor role in medicine. The essence of the name is that efforts focus on the conservation and management of the patient's own blood in order to avoid the need for transfusion. Thus, the term "bloodless" reflects the refusal of blood transfusion.
8 As already mentioned, the position of Jehovah's Witnesses before caused misunderstandings between them and the majority of health workers. In this regard there was a need for close cooperation and providing medical information. To do this in the 80s. Watchtower Society (Jehovah's Witnesses legal authority) to develop an effective system of cooperation with doctors, hospitals and other medical institutions, operates worldwide. This was possible thanks to the organization in many countries, thousands of the Liaison Committee with the hospitals. The purpose of these committees is to personally go to medical institutions, sharing scientific information on alternative (bloodless) treatment methods. Committees also help to guide patients, especially in complex clinical situations, a doctor with experience in the treatment without blood. Since the Committee cooperates with plenty of doctors and medical institutions, clinics are interested in the improvement of these treatments. Some of them have organized the so-called program of bloodless treatment.
9 Since the care of the sick is part of the problem several doctors - not only of the physician or surgeon - it is clear that such a program should be well organized and coordinated. Thus, the selected program coordinator, who takes over many of the duties previously performed by the Liaison Committee with the hospitals, mentioned above.
10 The structure of the program is as follows. Appointed Coordinator (one or more), preferably having a medical education that has direct contact with doctors and patients, providing information to staff and the public, coordinates the treatment of patients included in the program (control preparation for the operation, collecting and processing information, developing a treatment plan and procedures). Programme Coordinator liaises with the Board of Medical Directors of the program, which is responsible for counseling, treatment monitoring, the study reports, the creation of the hospital protocol and review. The Board of Directors and the medical director of the program is also in communication with the administration of the clinic, which is responsible for approval of treatments and procedures, administrative monitoring of the program, the decision of legal issues.
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Check to see if you are signed to your account on those devices.
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Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?
by John Aquila inthe ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.
the watchtower says yes.
they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..
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The idea of a heaven/hell was likely a Zoroastrian influence from Persia.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/zoroastr.htm
The religion was founded by Zarathushtra in Persia -- modern-day Iran. It may have been the world's first monotheistic faith. It was once the religion of the Persian empire, but has since been reduced in numbers to fewer than 200,000 today. With the exception of religious conservatives, most religious historians believe the the Jewish, Christian and Muslim beliefs concerning God and Satan, the soul, heaven and hell, the virgin birth of the savior, the slaughter of the innocents, resurrection, the final judgment, etc. were all derived from Zoroastrianism.
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What are you up to this summer?
by Xanthippe ini really enjoy hearing about other people's lives.
feeling a little lonely this evening so please tell me if you have plans for the summer months.
i may go to some outdoor theatre with my daughter who's home from uni; with a picnic and a bottle of wine.
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Packing. I am moving in 3 weeks. Again. But only a few blocks away - down three flights of stairs here and then up three flights of stairs in my next home. I am not sure how many times I have moved in my life up to now...I think this is #47 or #48...I've lost track. At least the last half dozen moves I have only had myself to move - my kids are grown up and gone and I also have given up on hauling deadwood around anymore. ;)
Summer is a good time to move. Far better than three foot high snowbanks and 30 below weather with a blizzard blowing in. I hope it isn't too hot moving day, or thunderstorms. I am praying to the moving gods for good weather and good legs that day. A bag of green will help.
Today I finished an ugly, ugly demo job in my friend's bathroom. She is doing a reno in her bathroom - she wants a Morracan themed bathroom and has purchased some pretty expensive material including having an antique claw foot tub refinished for it. Her floor choice was super expensive floor tile ordered in from Italy and accented with glass mosaic insets and done on a diagonal lay and with a heatpad underneath.
She hired a couple of f**tards to do the whole bath reno and they assured her that they knew how to install floor tile. They "finished" the floor 4 days ago. I went to see it. It was a mess. A mess beyond description. Nothing was done right. Nothing. I can't even get into how bad it was. Unbelievable. The worst I have ever seen.
I will share something personal about myself. I am an experienced flooring installer. Several years ago I trained under and worked full time with a man who had 20 years experience. I was teaching at the university part time and needed another job. So...I became the only woman flooring installer in the city - we did everything from large commercial jobs to high end residential and everything on down from there - even slum housing where you had to get the needles shoveled out of the basements before you could start.
I did it for five years - five tough grueling years. My gawd, when I think of what I put my body through. On some jobs, I would take wrist wraps with steel bars in them and tape them on my arms with electrician tape before staring for the day. My hands were always bandaged and I have many knife scars and such to show off. It was bastard hard work.
It has been ten years since I quit installing flooring except for a few times that i did some flooring for TV shows and movies at the film studios. That was the last I did any. I don't want to do it anymore. I am too old for that shit.
But this is my friend. So, the past three days I have been smashing out hundreds of dollars worth of ceramic tile, and swearing. And sweating. And hurting. Damn tiles are like glass when they break. Cut fingers. But I am finished tearing out. The floor is down to the nuts again. Now I wait for the drywaller to fix the walls where I had to tear off the ceramic base.
Next- installing new tiles. Damn. Not really looking forward to this. My partner and I didn't do much in ceramic work - just a little bit during the last year we worked together. Eek!! I need to do a bit of research here and maybe a little prayer to my old partner - he passed away a couple months ago...maybe he will whisper in my ear what to do! But, as a backup, I have a hotline set up with one of the flooring distributors in town, they will walk me through any problems I may have. I went and talked to them and they still remember me. Nice guys.
Yup. That is my summer so far. Thanks for asking. Hope everyone else is having at at least as much fun as I am. I will buy the beer for anyone who wants to help me move.... :)
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Witness My Fury: Hitler had a strange blonde fetish for a black haired dude me thinks
Artists depicting the Christ child as blonde is not unusual. There are many paintings that do so - the Christ child was often painted with blonde hair - Hitler's painting was only following an established tradition.
Giovanni: Madonna With Doves:
(Mary's robe is blue in the actual painting)
Giovanni: Angel With Madonna
Xanthippie: It's traditional to paint the madonna's dress in blue FMF.
Historically, blue was a rare and expensive pigment and, unlike other colors readily available for the artists' palette, blue was reserved for royalty or people of wealth. Therefore, blue pigment came to be associated with the sacred.
I am curious as well as to why the OP wants to know what other people know about this painting. Obviously, the OP had a purpose for posting it but is reluctant to reveal what that purpose is.