Posts by OrphanCrow

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

Vidiot: The WTS has owned stock in - and therefore, derived financial income from - Rand-Cam and Philip Morris, after all.

Lol! How hard do you think you have to shake the Phillip Morris family tree before Anthony Morris falls out of it? I have never looked...but I have always been curious.

millie; where was Dr Kersten lauded as hero of the JWs at? Is that in the JW publications anywhere?

Yes, that is in WTS literature. I will find it...I think I need a bit of a break!

Damn...I was just going to post Lorenz's video to show how the WTS is connected to JWs who profit from the relationship they have with the WTS...and here I go again, off and running around chasing squirrels! Lol!

I shall return with the information you requested, Millie. Soon.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

Those damn forum demons have been up to their tricks again...

I had a lot of information that didn't post...picking up from after corresponding with Mr. Starr...

I re-read Mr. Starr's book and, after putting together everything I had learned up to that point about blood and bloodless methods, I realized that Starr had given the information as to who and where the notions of blood management would have found fertile ground right around the time that the WTS banned blood transfusions. Keep in mind that 'blood management' uses micro sampling and methods to improve the clotting ability of blood.

WW2 saw many advancements in how blood transfusions were administered and used. A Canadian doctor had developed the method of blood banking that would be used for Allied troops and, combined with Dr. Cohn's discovery on how to fractionate blood, it put the Allies at the head of the race to use blood to save lives.

The rest of the world was trying to find a reliable donor source - the Russians experimented with cadaver blood and the Japanese were using horse blood in their medical experiments.

In the meantime, the German medical doctors were experimenting with ways to stop bleeding. Avoiding the possibility of contaminating their 'pure Aryan blood lines', the German concentrated on developing formulas that would clot blood - they injected Russian soldiers with clotting formulas, shot them and then timed how long it took them to die. Germany lagged way behind in blood transfusion technology - when they did resort to using blood, they often didn't give enough.

The roots of bloodless surgery found fertile ground in the philosophies and methods of the German doctors who supported the Nazi war machine.

In fact, Dr. Felix Kersten, Heinrich Himmler's doctor, practiced the deep massage that was known as bloodless surgery to the chiropractors that he had learned his craft from. Dr. Felix Kersten has been advertised by the WTS as the 'hero of the JWs' during WW2.

Where did the blood transfusion ban originate?

From the Germans. It arose out of the German WW2 medical teams that were trying to find a way to keep the Aryan blood lines pure.

And, yup...that sure sounds like the conspiracy theory to beat all conspiracy theories, doesn't it?
Lol! Just throw the Nazi connection into anything and you will be sure to get labelled "crazy.

*sorry, Millie...my editing put your comment out of place. Yes...it is pretty crazy...about as crazy as 8 million people listening to the WTS.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

I concur with Vidiot. If you don't want to publish it on your own, forward all your research to VICE.com, this is right up their alley.

Hmmm...I will keep that in mind. After I hire a bodyguard. ;)

vidiot: Wait... research and advances in bloodless medical treatment and technology started as far back as the 1940s?
Seriously?

Seriously. In fact, long before the 1940s

When I first started looking for the roots of bloodless surgery, it was very difficult to find any material at all. There was virtually nothing online and I eventually found out that the medical world outside of the WTS/JW connections referred to the bloodless procedures as "Autologous Blood Transfusion" technology. The term "bloodless surgery" was a term only associated with all the organizations and doctors that were in the back pocket of the WTS.

Since that time 4 years ago when I first started looking into the history of bloodless surgery, historical information on the origins of "bloodless surgery" is readily available. The father of bloodless surgery is considered to be Adolf Lorenz.

Adolf Lorenz is remembered for his work with bone deformities. As a young surgeon during the 1880s, he developed a severe allergic skin reaction to carbolic acid, a compound that was used extensively in operating rooms. Although the condition prevented him from performing traditional surgical operations, he continued in the medical profession as a "dry surgeon", treating patients without cutting into skin or tissue. Subsequently, he was given the nickname "The Bloodless Surgeon of Vienna". His techniques became known as bloodless surgery, reflecting his noninvasive techniques.

In the early 1900s, Lorenz traveled to the States and introduced his methods of non-invasive manipulative massage to North America. His techniques were picked up and practiced by many of those who were following the doctrine of an alternative field of medical treatment - the chiropractors and the osteopaths. Both of these professions were intricately connected to the WTS of the time and some of the literature written by the chiropractors, linked to the WTS, deal with the early practice of "bloodless surgery".

Before I discovered the above information, I read the book Blood: An Epic History of Medicine and Commerce by Douglas Starr, hoping to find something about bloodless surgery. But nowhere in his book does Mr. Starr mention bloodless surgery. So I corresponded with him and asked him why. His response was that there was no information available at the time he wrote the book in 2000. But he did say that he had been invited to speak at one of the Blood Management meetings shortly after the book was released.

*hang on...I just lost most of this post....damn...gotta re-do some of it...

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

Vidiot: Forget about another thread...

Okay. I will just keep adding stuff on this thread. :)

You need to write an op-ed piece and submit it to the f**king media.

Well, I exposed Shannon Farmer's connection to Australia's blood management program long before the news story hit global internet. I unearthed him and his connections to the WTS and SABM in January 2011 and posted that information on the yuku forum.

The story broke in mid 2014, over 3 years later. So...maybe somebody read my posts. I dunno...maybe I just have to keep posting and someone will pick up the ball and run with it. I wouldn't mind sitting on the bench occasionally and just watching the game. Always playing first string is hard work.

So - here is another prominent JW that needs the blood transfusion ban in place. His whole life and career is dependent upon that blood ban. The backbone and foundation of blood management is the JW blood transfusion ban.

Mr. Jan Wade. Another founding member of SABM. The society that honored the WTS with their President's Award.

Jan B. Wade. Regional Disaster First Responder. (he would have probably been the dude who arranged for Hemopure to be used both at 9/11 and the Boston massacre...or another JW just like him).

In 1993 Jan redirected a career in sales to work with Puget Sound Hospital where he developed Washington States first Program for Advanced Blood Management. When the program opened there were only a few like programs in the world.
The year 1995 was especially eventful as Jan worked to co-develop Noblood.com now Noblood.org. That same year he became a founding member of the National Association for Bloodless Medicine and Surgery (now ABC) where he served as Executive Board member and Chairman for the Marketing Committee. In 1996 Jan, along with other Executive Board members, introduced the concept of Bloodless Medicine and Surgery for the first time at the national headquarters of Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations (JCAHO) in Oakbrook Terrace, IL.
Jan is a graduate of and former instructor at the Bloodless Medicine and Surgery Institute (BMSI). He is a founding member of the Society for the Advancement of Blood Conservation (SABM).
Jan went to work for HemoConcepts in 2003. During his years with HC Jan worked to turn around a faltering blood management program at Trinitas Hospital in Elizabeth, NY, he sat on the Executive Steering committee where he and eight others mapped the strategic marketing position for the company. He eventually served as Director of Sales Support for HC's national sales force.
From 1993 to 2006 Jan personally developed, implemented and managed five blood management programs and served as prime consultant on many others. As an instructor at BMSI and through private mentoring Jan has enhanced many of the nurses and program managers currently working in the field of blood conservation.
In 2006 Jan withdrew from full time participation in blood management. Jan continues to mentor new program managers and coordinators.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

Londo: I'm open minded, I could see a symbiotic business relationship developing over time, but is there really proof that the 70-year blood ban is for research? How can we know motivations of people that are total strangers?

The timeline between how bloodless surgery developed and the timeline of the blood ban, with all its contortions and twists since then, is such that published historical research studies reveal that doctors were doing experimental procedures on JWs long before those procedures were approved by the WTS. The doctrine has been influenced by the technology, not the other way around. And, the WTS representatives were actively involved in arranging many of those experimental procedures.

Yes, there is speculation in making links between historical events and motivations...but when a person is putting together a puzzle, often it takes a lot of work before the picture emerges. It is like a court of law - even the most vile murderer there is can be convicted on circumstantial evidence, provided there is enough of it.

The place within blood research that the JWs fall into, is well marked in the history of blood transfusion medicine. The timeline points to motivation and intention.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

millie: Orphan Crow, are you affiliated with, or is there any group, that is a collection point for this type of information?
Or are you "it"?

Millie, I think I'm "it". Lol! I have a huge collection of information archived - in many different places.

My research doesn't just go into the connections between the WTS/JWs and blood management - I have researched extensively into the history of blood medicine and how blood transfusion technology evolved and from there, came up with a template in which to place the current technology in bloodless surgery.

I dunno....maybe myself or someone else can write a book about it someday...I occasionally get bursts of energy in which I think about it...but then, I just come on forums and share my research in the hopes that it will make a difference someday in the future. It is a HUGE area of research that is mostly untapped and it could be the WTS' Achilles heel.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

Millie, thank you for that information on the Jacksonville bloodless surgery unit. Pretty much all of the bloodless centers I have investigated in the US have had JW connections. The information you have given is another puzzle piece - one of many that make up the fabric of the JW involvement in "blood management".

Londo: The blood ban started in the 40's, did it not?

Yes. July 1945. It will be 70 years ago on in a few days from now. The blood transfusion ban was put in place right at the end of WW2.

70 years of medical research subjects listening to a group of men who dictate the religious doctrine that defines the parameters of that research groups' behaviour. 70 years of JWs laying their children on the blood altar of Jehovah. 70 years of JWs dying for blood research.

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

Umbertoecho, the two men that are mentioned in that article are JWs who were founding members of the Society for the Advancement of Blood Management. (The website is temporarily down - not sure why...but the Wayback Machine is good for examining the society's history and stuff).

SABM was the first society of its kind - all the rest of the global blood management societies have stemmed from it. The Society for the Advancement of Blood Management was established in 2001 and the SABM President’s Award Recipient for 2002 was the Watch Tower Society.

The website has underwent many changes since it was first established, but that information can be accessed through the Wayback Machine, and I have an old membership brochure archived that gives that information.

Shannon Farmer, the Australian JW who is working really hard to get blood management implemented in the entire country of Australia as the "standard of care", is the bigwig in SABM history. He was the first president (I think...) and his books and writings are promoted on SABM's website.

Another prominent JW who is currently the Executive Director of SABM, is Richard Melseth.

Mr. Melseth was connected to the website (now defunct) mybloodsite.com. Their mission statement said this:

MyBlood promotes Blood Conservation/Patient Blood Management as a progressive step towards Bloodless Medicine or Total Blood Avoidance, with the recognition that these Blood Conservation Programs can also serve the patient seeking Bloodless Surgery when Bloodless Medicine protocols are employed.
MyBlood is committed to establishing transfusion-free surgery and Bloodless Medicine as the Golden Standard of medicine worldwide.

What mybloodsite was promoting was the Haemonetics Cell Saver. And a no blood card that had an UN resolution printed on the back which said this - "The right to refuse medical treatment is universal. This basic human right has been recognized by United Nations Act (/C.12/200/4) which prohibits non-consensual medical treatment". ....*note the year of the UN resolution...right in line with the WTS' involvement with the UN.

Mr. Richard Melseth has been pretty busy with promoting the WTS NoBlood doctrine. In 2010, he was active in Asia in that promotion, and his most recent accomplishment was producing a film that shamelessly misrepresents the dangers of blood transfusions.

Primum Non Nocere: First - Do No Harm.

Shake the SABM tree a bit harder, and JWs tumble out all over the place. LinkedIn has many JWs who claim membership in the SABM as "founding members".

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

OrphanCrow

Listener: Is it possible that the JW interest in blood management is a byproduct of their blood ban and not the other way around? It sounds much less sinister if they're investing and funding research to help their members versus creating religious dogma for profit.
Is it possible to find the timelines to see which came first, investments or blood ban?

Lol! The chicken and the egg question, huh?

I will try to answer that for you - the material I am dealing with is extensive and bulky. After years of crawling around in the blood soaked information that I have been able to access, my opinion is that the JW blood ban was created specifically for the advancement of bloodless technology. Sinister? Yes...it is evil to the core. So evil, in fact, that the idea is repugnant and rejected by most who consider it. In fact, I will never forget the way that I reacted the first time the puzzle pieces stated to fall into place - my blood literally ran cold. I will never forget that horrible feeling of cold blood running through my veins. Never.

I have done the timeline work - I have been researching this subject heavily for the past 4 or 5 years - and I think that bloodless surgery did not arise from the JWs' demand for treatment, that demand only paved the way for existing interests to expand into what the blood management field is today. The blood ban was the vehicle that propelled the bloodless field of medicine - the JWs were the guinea pigs for the research required to develop technology that has been described as "The Golden Standard of Care" - a standard that blood management societies want to implement globally.

Blood management societies that owe their existence to the JWs who founded the very first blood management society of its kind - the Society for the Advancement of Blood Management.

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The incredibly white NAACP leader

by Simon in

this is a bizarre story.. there is a woman who is the local leader of the naacp who is obviously trying to mislead people into believing she is black who is actually white.

very white.. she obviously gets a tan regularly but looks more orange.

yes, orange really is the new black!.

OrphanCrow

talein: Disingenuous? Me? Hahaha. I just think it's interesting that this is such a big story, when 'everybody's doing it'. Those who think this woman is an 'exception', are the ones who are disingenuous. In my opinion.

Good thing the internet wasn't around in Grey Owl's day.

;p