Posts by OrphanCrow

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Why do we get TTATT and others don't?

by quest81 in

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i have thought about how ttatt came full circle for me.

how the connecting the dots was simple and just made sense,.

how silos of information are literally at our fingertips today.. why is it that the ones we love cannot get ttatt?.

OrphanCrow

quest61: why do we get the TTATT and others don't?

Because we can see the lie.

For whatever reason, we are included in the number of people who have the ability to perceive deception better than most. On average, a person is only able to spot a lie 53% of the time. We score better than that.

It isn't so much that we can see the truth - because 'truth' is such a nebulous thing and personal in nature, we already know our truth - it is because we can spot the lie.

And we are among that part of the population that doesn't like being lied to. That doesn't take brains or skill, it only takes guts. Courage and honesty. Anybody can have that, if they so dare.

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Pregnant women refuses blood

by Giordano in

http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refusal-of-blood-transfusion-mother-and-baby-die#more-4001.

a 28-year-old woman and her unborn child have died because of the womans decision not to accept a lifesaving blood transfusion.. doctors at the royal hospital for women and prince of wales hospital in randwick, sydney, australia, have described the harrowing effect on hospital staff of two otherwise avoidable deaths.. the woman, a jehovahs witness, was seven months into her pregnancy when it was discovered she had leukaemia.. amy corderoy, health editor, reporting in the sydney morning herald states,.

more than 80% of pregnant women suffering from the cancer, called acute promyelocytic leukaemia, will go into remission with proper treatment, and the outlook for their babies is good.. .

OrphanCrow

Giordani:

People who died in the 1940's and way way beyond died of heart disease or any number of diseases because they could not survive the necessary surgery without blood. Yes they died from a disease ............but they also died because of the blood doctrine.

That is a good point. Adding those numbers, which could be quite high, to the other JW deaths that were blood refusal related, to the figure that Marvin gives of over 50,000 since 1961, would inflate that number by quite a bit. Medical technology prior to 1961 was not advanced as it was after that date.

Not only that, the consequences of refusing blood may not have resulted in death, but in some cases, resulted in life long health issues. Blood's most important role, which cannot be compensated for, by the use of saline, ringer's lactate, etc., is to transport oxygen. Deprivation of oxygen for any length of time results in permanent organ damage and tissue damage, which is irreversible. So, if you were one of the survivors of the noblood doctrine, and successfully came through a situation that where you should have received blood but didn't, you may have survived with permanent disability and a shortened life span. I have heard stories of people who refused blood, survived anyways, but had comprised health after - including inability to use their fingers or limbs in a functional way.

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Do JWs suffer from Stockholm Syndrome?

by campaign of hate in

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this topic is what what it says on the tin.

do jws suffer/are suffering, from stockholm syndrome?.

getting abused (mentally) and then seem to form a relationship with the captives (wtbts).. there is also a condition called oslo syndrome, but haven't read up much about it.. personally, i think i might be suffering from the former.. would love to get a few opinions.....

OrphanCrow

To comment further about the extreme mind control employed by the WTS....

If you average out the numbers of deaths due to blood suicide in the JWs for the past 70 years, you arrive at a figure of 1428. And keep in mind, like Marvin has pointed out on another thread - that figure is conservative.

What is happening in reality, is that there has been a larger than Jonestown Massacre catastrophe happening each and every year since 1945, right under everybody's noses. It is happening right now. The noblood cards are simply cyanide capsules printed on paper.

What makes the WTS mind control even more horrendous, is that the WTS has even been able to convince others in the court systems and some in the medical profession that the blood suicide is acceptable and at the same time, keep the numbers of actual deaths silent. The blood massacre that has been happening, and still is, has happened right within the society at large.

The WTS has been successful in the mind control of the public as well as their adherents.

Now, that is mind control of the highest magnitude.

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Do JWs suffer from Stockholm Syndrome?

by campaign of hate in

jw
friends

this topic is what what it says on the tin.

do jws suffer/are suffering, from stockholm syndrome?.

getting abused (mentally) and then seem to form a relationship with the captives (wtbts).. there is also a condition called oslo syndrome, but haven't read up much about it.. personally, i think i might be suffering from the former.. would love to get a few opinions.....

OrphanCrow

sparrowdown: If Jonestown was considered to be at the high end of the spectrum then JWs are not quite there yet, ie shooting Senators and passing out cyanide at the meetings

Sparrowdown, the JWs don't have to pass out cyanide - they have the blood doctrine that substitutes for little capsules.

I posted the following information on another thread, but I will re-post it to show what I mean.

According to an article on page125 of the Australian Anesthesia 2011, titled The Management of Adult Jehovah’s Witnesses in Anaesthesia and Critical Care:

It is estimated that approximately 1000 Jehovah’s Witnesses die annually worldwide and as many as 100,000 may have died by abstaining from blood transfusions since the blood ban was introduced in 1945.

The Jonestown Massacre claimed the lives of 913 people. The WTS blood policy is estimated to claim the lives of 1000 JWs this year alone. The total number of blood suicides committed by JWs exceeds the Jonestown Massacre casualties by 100 times.

100,000 JWs have died for the blood god - 913 Jonestown followers died.

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Pregnant women refuses blood

by Giordano in

http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refusal-of-blood-transfusion-mother-and-baby-die#more-4001.

a 28-year-old woman and her unborn child have died because of the womans decision not to accept a lifesaving blood transfusion.. doctors at the royal hospital for women and prince of wales hospital in randwick, sydney, australia, have described the harrowing effect on hospital staff of two otherwise avoidable deaths.. the woman, a jehovahs witness, was seven months into her pregnancy when it was discovered she had leukaemia.. amy corderoy, health editor, reporting in the sydney morning herald states,.

more than 80% of pregnant women suffering from the cancer, called acute promyelocytic leukaemia, will go into remission with proper treatment, and the outlook for their babies is good.. .

OrphanCrow

flipper: I had no idea that many JW's had died due to not taking blood transfusions.

Flipper, it is sort of mind blowing, isn't it? Just think - 1000 JWs are estimated to die for the Blood God this year alone.

We hear only of the cases that hit the media or those stories that are shared on forums like this - there are so many more that we hear nothing about.

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NEW 2012 Elders book with 2015 Amendments

by Newly Enlightened in

thanks to jw archive wiki we have a pdf of the new elders book.. https://www.dropbox.com/s/mz9z38909t3fh7c/2012-shepherd-the-flock-of-god-ks10_e.pdf?dl=0.

OrphanCrow

Oubilette: It's social death.

That is a concise and perfect description of the situation.

I will remember that term - it's a good one.

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Do JWs suffer from Stockholm Syndrome?

by campaign of hate in

jw
friends

this topic is what what it says on the tin.

do jws suffer/are suffering, from stockholm syndrome?.

getting abused (mentally) and then seem to form a relationship with the captives (wtbts).. there is also a condition called oslo syndrome, but haven't read up much about it.. personally, i think i might be suffering from the former.. would love to get a few opinions.....

OrphanCrow

fliipper: JW's may not be killing people literally in a violent fashion

No, the JWs themselves don't literally kill people. But, they do believe, and heartily endorse, their god Jehovah killing the entire population of the planet except for them. In fact, many JWs take great delight in the idea of wholesome slaughter.

The JW believe that they don't have to do that dirty work of killing - their god will do it for them.

The 'killing' that is integrated into the WTS doctrines, is also acted out in their disfellowshipping policies where they are encouraged to treat the shunned person as though they are already dead.

I agree, Flipper - it is pretty scary. The JWs are expected to do whatever the WTS tells them to - no questions asked.

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NEW 2012 Elders book with 2015 Amendments

by Newly Enlightened in

thanks to jw archive wiki we have a pdf of the new elders book.. https://www.dropbox.com/s/mz9z38909t3fh7c/2012-shepherd-the-flock-of-god-ks10_e.pdf?dl=0.

OrphanCrow

Did you know the Elders under the older regimes would have a young child crossed examined by the pedophile who molested her/him?

This following example involves two adult women who accused a JW man of sexually assaulting them. The JWs do not have a clear idea of the difference between a minor child and an adult, so I do not think that it is unreasonable to assume that they would treat a minor child in the same manner.

The two women, who both live in Barry, were then forced to face their attacker at church judicial committees, chaired by elders. Wendy said: “My husband and I sat in a room with Mark and his wife as the elders heard both sides of the story.
“They asked me all sorts of very personal questions, including how far apart he pushed my legs, then put the allegations to Mark. It was excruciating. I was never told to go to the police and the Church didn’t either.”
Mum-of-two Karen, 38, said: “I had to sit in front of a man who had touched me and give all the sordid details to three ageing male elders while Mark branded me a liar. I later went to the police but Mark said ‘no comment’ through the interview and it was his word against mine.”

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Do JWs suffer from Stockholm Syndrome?

by campaign of hate in

jw
friends

this topic is what what it says on the tin.

do jws suffer/are suffering, from stockholm syndrome?.

getting abused (mentally) and then seem to form a relationship with the captives (wtbts).. there is also a condition called oslo syndrome, but haven't read up much about it.. personally, i think i might be suffering from the former.. would love to get a few opinions.....

OrphanCrow

sparrowdown: If Jonestown was considered to be at the high end of the spectrum then JWs are not quite there yet, ie shooting Senators and passing out cyanide at the meetings.

The resulting behavior from the mind control of JWs may not be the same as other high control cults - but we are not evaluating that - we are evaluating the degree of control, not the resulting behavior.

Just because JWs don't shoot Senators or pass out cyanide pills does not mean that they are controlled less than those who do - they just simply are controlled on different types of behavior.

This would be like comparing two different abusers - one just slaps the woman open-handed and the other one uses their fists to break her nose. The effects on the victim is the same. It doesn't matter if the abuser makes their victim do the dishes or makes them take off all their clothes and run down the street - the dynamics in the two relationship are identical.

The degree of mind control is not judged on the results themselves - it is judged on how controlled the victim is in obtaining those result, their loyalty to the one who controls their mind. The resulting behavior can be anything from minor to major demands.

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Pregnant women refuses blood

by Giordano in

http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refusal-of-blood-transfusion-mother-and-baby-die#more-4001.

a 28-year-old woman and her unborn child have died because of the womans decision not to accept a lifesaving blood transfusion.. doctors at the royal hospital for women and prince of wales hospital in randwick, sydney, australia, have described the harrowing effect on hospital staff of two otherwise avoidable deaths.. the woman, a jehovahs witness, was seven months into her pregnancy when it was discovered she had leukaemia.. amy corderoy, health editor, reporting in the sydney morning herald states,.

more than 80% of pregnant women suffering from the cancer, called acute promyelocytic leukaemia, will go into remission with proper treatment, and the outlook for their babies is good.. .

OrphanCrow

flipper: How many thousands of mind controlled brain dead JW's have lost their lives by following this advice or lost their children's lives by refusing blood ?

Well, according to an article on page125 of the Australian Anesthesia 2011, titled The Management of Adult Jehovah’s Witnesses in Anaesthesia and Critical Care:

It is estimated that approximately 1000 Jehovah’s Witnesses die annually worldwide and as many as 100,000 may have died by abstaining from blood transfusions since the blood ban was introduced in 1945.

The author of the article, Anne-Marie Welsh, does not give a reference for the estimate. I have been unsuccessful in my attempts to contact her to find out where she got that information from.