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Jehovah's Witnesses Ban upheld by Supreme Court.-TASS reports. Are Russian JWs suffering as a result of Watchtower Governing Body Hate Rants?

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tass news:.

russias supreme court rules jehovah's witnesses from samara extremist organizationrussia.

november 13, 20:58 utc+3 .

OrphanCrow

Did the WBT$ see this coming?

Yes. They did.

The situation in Russia is not just a knee jerk reaction. The Watchtower Society has been struggling for some time to have 'religious status' in Russia. The long and short of it is that Russia doesn't believe that they are really a religion.

A few years ago, I came across court transcripts from Russia on a Russian forum. The file no longer exists online, and the pages are not archived on the waybackmachine. However, I saved the translated version of the document. It is rather long, but rather than select parts of the transcript to cut and paste, I will post it in its entirety to show the rationale and basis for Russia's decision. I apologize for the difficulty in reading it - the translation is only a google attempt.

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В.П.Белянин VP Belyanin

Комплексное экспертное заключение Comprehensive Opinion

по гражданскому делу 2-452/99 in a civil case 2-452/99
(Головинский межмуниципальный суд САО г. Москвы) (Golovinski District Court of the SAO, Moscow)
г. Москва, 4 октября 2000 г. Moscow, October 4, 2000

. We, the undersigned, VP Belyanin, MM Gromyko, DA Leontiev, SA Nebolsin designated definition Golovinsky Intermunicipal Court on March 12, 1999 for a comprehensive examination of the case 2-452/99 (presentation Attorney of the Northern Administrative District of Moscow on the elimination and prohibition of a religious community of Jehovah's Witnesses), being aware of the court of criminal liability under Article 307 of the Criminal Code, were of this opinion, set out below on 16 sheets.

I: In formulating conclusions, the following expert steps:
1) study the case materials 2-452/99;
2linguistic, psycholinguistic, literary analysis presented to the examination of texts of a religious community of Jehovah's Witnesses;
3) The religious analysis presented to the examination of texts of the community of Jehovah's Witnesses, the findings of which form the basis of the proposed conclusions (Section II), as well as additional considerations (Section III) account for the complex multidimensional nature of the investigated object. II Submissions by experts 2-452/99 case suggests that the questions formulated by the court
1. Does the literature and documents of the Jehovah's Witnesses signs
a) inciting religious hatred (the undermining of respect and hostility towards other religions)
b) the compulsion to destroy the family,
c) outrages upon individual rights and freedoms of citizens,
2. Are subject to study the texts of literature and documents outlining the Jehovah's Witnesses, which is commonly used in worship place issues entrusted to experts the complex textual analysis in the context of:
a) the existing regulations of the Russian Federation on the freedom of conscience, worship and religious associations
b) the modalities of the leading (and designated in the Law of the Russian Federation) faiths of Russia
c) the specific practices of the religious community of Jehovah's Witnesses, introducing her to the relations with other religions, social institutions and the general population as a whole.

В In addition to the issues raised by the court experts on the basis of Article 77 of the RF CCP saw fit to include in the discussion of an additional question:
3. Soderzhitsya whether the test material encouraging citizens to refuse to fulfill their civic duties prescribed by law.

Thus, the proposed experts to review the case file together with the questions put before experts as linguistic and literary and Teaching Religion plan requires consideration of publishing the Jehovah's Witnesses and some of its elements in a content-connected union of two context dimensions. Namely: every single meaningful unit in terms of the studied texts Jehovah's Witness receives and distributes its meaning in juxtaposition with a holistic capacity of these texts and the social field of their operation. Aimed at clarifying this functional (social) issues of relatedness to the experts presented in the plan valid and relevant professional profile members of the expert group. General scientific principles, methodology content analysis of texts is also obliged to take into account their address and make sense of their functional installation and concrete meaning as in face and in the broader context.

Experts do not consider it necessary to repeat all the circumstances of the case, referred to in the preceding considerations, and known to the court. The experts decided to focus on those aspects of the problems that are directly within their jurisdiction and for the essence of the issues raised.

I). Linguistic, psycholinguistic, literary analysis presented to the examination of texts of Jehovah's Witnesses can take them to the type of full-scale, integrated, holistic, single-scale compositional statements deliberately endowed with the function of informing, ideological teachings and the regulation of social behavior of recipients. Range of people, destined to the perception of information, the ideological discourses and social-activity-related facilities contained in the texts of the Jehovah's Witnesses, are:
1. Activists community of Jehovah's Witnesses;
2. involved in the community of Jehovah's Witnesses are ordinary members of the association;
3. persons subject to the involvement of the community.

While (1) refers to community activists in the texts of the Jehovah's Witnesses as those liable to systematize and ideologically to focus their organizing activities, not only to preach the doctrine, but also to control the behavior of believers, (2) involved in the community with his rank and file members get through the texts of the Jehovah's Witnesses prescription become more responsible and disciplinary activism community, (3) subject to the involvement of the community, through the texts of books and their interpretations are given to believe that in modern society and contemporary historical, moral, cultural circumstances and religious significance in modern social atmosphere join Witnesses Jehovah is the only choice for a wholesome personality.

Subjected to the examination of texts of the Jehovah's Witnesses offer some way interpreted picture of the modern world, taken for consideration in its moral, social, religious, political and legal aspects. Organization of the text corresponds to the known laws of science and technology advertising and promotional exposure.

Linguistic, psycholinguistic, and literary analysis of texts community of Jehovah's Witnesses can review their information, the ideological and didactic, disciplinary-prescriptive and suggestive-motivational aspects as purposeful, systematically conducted suggestion of a specific and uniform set of attitudes and predispositions. This text edification of Jehovah's Witnesses is crucial for a meaningful analysis of certain aspects of these texts from the perspective of the issues put before the experts.

Analysis of the texts of Jehovah's Witnesses identify them the following common properties. Subjects texts systematically carried out a sustained theme: humanity and every individual threatens the powerful enemy of good - Satan. It intrigues, engages people in sin, leading mankind to the death and torture, in the near future the day will come the final battle - Armageddon.

Mankind will suffer "great tribulation" - famine, pestilence, war, natural disasters, the only salvation for the people - turning to God, namely, the deity of Jehovah, who will destroy Satan and his minions, all the servants of evil, all non-members of the community, "Witnesses" and after the Armageddon survivors waiting happiness in the kingdom of Jehovah, inhabitants of the earth will be subject to equitable heavenly government;

Thus dominated by themes of the destruction of the infidels will of the people and the forces of Jehovah's Witnesses and salvation only those who 'adherence to the "Witnesses" avoid shocks, tortures and deaths. This injection creates the mood of fear, ominous tones which aggravated multiple descriptions of the human disasters in general - past, present and future.

Psychological and ideological consciousness of this motif directs the receiver to close a hypnotic stupor in front of a fatal course of events. At the same time it prepares the mind perceiving the motive to the activities in the mode of catastrophically-war, siege, destsiplinarno-organized resistance and offensive.

Emotionally dominant semantic analysis of texts proposed to form a saturated vocabulary "sad" and "dark" mood. Auto shortchanging with export psycholinguistic computer program "Baal" shows the following. 22 %. "Light" lexicon (God, faith, apostle, soul, humanity, the universe, the confidence, the true value, equity) is in the texts of the Jehovah's Witnesses to 22%. "Sad" and "dark" vocabulary (violence, corruption, destruction, suffering, persecution, dying, slavery, hunger, cold, intrigues, lies, slander) is also up to 22%, which is a critical value, builds the context of all printed materials " witnesses "as depressing, inspiring vision of the world as anti-humane system of things, forcing anxiety, fear, suspicion and bitterness.

Readability of Jehovah's Witnesses as a whole ensures the formation of their audiences: a) a sense of impotence, passively waiting for life-saving instructions, and b) willingness to nervous-inflated identification parade in the world and the people of his notorious enemies with a disposition to aggressive and embittered opposition to them.

II). The foregoing disposition differs significantly from the key embedded in the common Christian category of "fear of God." Standing out against the backdrop of these other religions, the texts of the Jehovah's Witnesses particularly exploit the motive of terror before the coming end. Fanning fear a persistent recurrence of the eschatological views (end of the world, etc.) accompanied by traditional and canonical biblical emphasis. The total abundance in the texts of quotations from authoritative sources (precedent) is giving the publications of Jehovah's Witnesses and the greatest weight at the same time removes the need for additional treatment to the primary sources.. In this regard, the distortion of the original meaning of the quoted is particularly significant. Separation quotes from their context and their significant reduction of distorting disorient the receiver to understand and religious tradition and modern reality.

Thus, life-affirming Psalm 148 appears in the publication of "The Place of the youth in God's order is" equipped "depressive-dark" insert:
We are now living under the oppression of an evil system
, one that will soon turn to dust and ashes,
All the force necessary to deal with it to us.
Taking into account the social connotations of the word "system", a reconstruction of the scripture promotes the formation of unfriendly disposition to all social whole. This, in particular, is directed and organized and ordered measurement in the social order. This setup is carried out in the texts of the Jehovah's Witnesses everywhere, as "an organized human community under the leadership of Satan, the devil is truly evil and depraved" ("You can live forever in paradise on earth", s.210, 212); "therefore does not impose hope to any human programs on peace and security and do not think that the world stands in the way of solving problems "(Edition of" Does life have meaning? "). Balanced Gospel injunction, "Caesar and God of God," in which worship is in balance with the social state being of individuals, we analyzed text is replaced by watchful hostility towards social, secular, legal institutions. Thus, inherent in these social institutions organizing and imperative function delegated to the institutions of intra-tuned with respect to which the public and secular statutes openly hostile.

Changes in the texts of "witnesses" for several of the psychological concepts that contribute to the reorientation of the civil consciousness of perceiving toward martial law, military confrontation to peace. Psycholinguistic analysis showed that in the texts Witnesses Iegogy "implemented targeted contextually-related changes in the semantic structure of words. Thus, by a shift in the concept of "society", aimed at narrowing the world picture and links to them only within and through the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. The concept of "family" is superseded in favor of the concept of "community" within the meaning of "members of our organization." The concept of "happiness" is changed to the concept of "service" (goals of our organization).. All this creates a special language with a particular emotional-semantic content, aspiring to the psychological impact on the consciousness of the perceiver, to change his language and non-linguistic world image, the inspiration needed to humble submission discipline narrow community and its hierarchy.

The above requirement is not placed his hopes to any human programs on peace and security and do not think that egot world stands in the way of solving problems "(Edition of" Does life have meaning? ") Deserves further evaluation.

Through such provisions, on the one hand, introduce an indirect ban on constructive thinking on the other hand, it is psychologically perceptive builds a militarized regime organized action "lower ranks" community in a hostile environment, similar in some respects to the conditions of the subversive group, etc. n.

Stylistics of texts "of Jehovah's Witnesses" is full of elements of a peremptory, team colors that maintain the characteristics of the community as an organization, gravitating towards the military-disciplinary type of union members through the charter service, job description, order, command, etc. Edition of "Letter to a candidate for ministry in Bethel," says again: "Do not think you can always come on their own /.../ You'll have to upstage your personal desires and inclinations /.../ to be able to perform charge you a service task. "

Edition of the "Daily parse the message!" (01.07) (1.7) prescribes that in this spirit: "You are willing to leave all of their personal aspirations /.../ you ever give away all my life and all that it turns on, Jehovah God."

According to the teachings of the Witnesses, "/.../ we must be vigilant with respect to the extended contact with worldly people, let it be a neighbor, fellow school employee for work or business partner." с. 188-189). (The Watchtower, 2/15/1994, p.24-25) should be "kept away from the world" (you can live forever in paradise on earth ", pp. 188-189).

State of tense, wary of isolation from worldly life and renunciation of worldly ties achieved in the text using the imperative according to the order "not to think." Accompanied by an order of the words "whole" and "Forever", which most often occur in the speech of people under stress. The same kind of stress is maintained in perceiving texts of Jehovah's Witnesses in the name of alleged religious ideal, but specifically militantnom, forced administrative order.

This allows us to give the texts of the Jehovah's Witnesses following general and detailed description.

As the text, similar in their organization to the promotion and advertising, publications of Jehovah's Witnesses use a variety of ways to manipulate the consciousness of perceiving, narrowing horizons perceiver and orienting it to predefined imaginary fatal choice, either directly or subtly foregone by the organization.
Implemented in the texts of the Jehovah's Witnesses promotional technologies complement disciplinary statutes, where the pressure on the psyche of the perceiver and the restriction of his consciousness is done through job descriptions, schedules of duties and direct orders.

From both commercial and political advertising, and from the official text of the statute of Jehovah's Witnesses differ sharply negative emotional atmosphere created around the philosophical issues. In comparison with advertising, increased tone of fatalistic doom of man in the face of universal evil, in comparison with service charters, increased levels of fear, suggest the possibility of default of instructions, greater emphasis on comprehensive rejection of worldly values, and sensible and Rational utility of duty pushed regulations "do not think and suggestions of perceiving stressful disposition.

Carried out in the texts of the Jehovah's Witnesses, "the idea that this organization is the only one worthy of membership of the society and the only structure with only one worthy of following the rules, gives advocated in the texts of the ideology of the qualities of rivalry with other social and legal institutions. Thus, it is religious organization itself qualifies the organization of the theocratic and totalitarian type, with signs of the sect. Among public institutions, rejected by Jehovah's Witnesses, true Christian church, which has, in the face of Orthodoxy, the Russian Federal Law "On Freedom of Conscience and Religious Associations" (September 1997, Preamble) recognizes the historically creative role. Texts as the Jehovah's Witnesses attributed to her role of aiding the satanic forces, destroying mankind.

*continutation of the same document...my formatting changed when I saved it...:

The expanded ideological statement, such as is the totality of the texts “of the witnesses Of [iegovy] examined by experts”, comprises, naturally, only the part that instructional organized by the data by the texts of the activity of ideologists, propagandists, instructors of association “the witnesses Of [iegovy]”. The wide daily practice of this activity occurs in the already assigned regime of manipulations by consciousness, the contraction of consciousness, [stressovosti], alerted hostility with respect to the peace, the ideological disorientation, the substitutions of society, its institutes and its standards by structures and by the circulars of clan or sectarian nature. (So, order “to return all” - or “to leave all” - in the life “To [iegove] to god” it can treat and realize both in the spiritual and in the material- property plan, that makes that receiving with the object of the most diverse encroachments.)

The right of man to the life he is disrupted by the introduced witnesses Of [iegovy] by limitations to the forms of the permissible medical aid, in particular, by prohibition to the blood transfusion. This prohibition takes root through the mentioned above manipulation with the Scripture. In the analyzed texts is encountered the requirement “any blood”. Turning to the ultimate source shows that there there are similar words. However, there their sense is completely different:

“Since it is convenient to holy spirit and to us not to lay on you any burden more, except this necessary: to abstain o[t]. [idolozhertvennogo] and the blood, and [udavleniny], and lechery, and not to make with other that, what to itself not [khotite].[Soblyudaya] cue, you will make well. You be sensible " (acts of holy apostles, 15: 28,29). In this fragment of word “to abstain from… the blood are contextually connected with the word “[idolozhertvennoe]” they make following sense: one ought not to accomplish the rituals, where [prinesenie] of victim is accompanied by the blood. In the text of the original there is no that sense, which is given by them in the texts “of the witnesses Of [iegovy]” - failure of the blood transfusion. Without affecting here the sophistical nature of doctrinal [a]p[gumentatsii] of this prohibition, based on the extraction of biblical quotations from the context and the arbitrary adding with it the sense, which they never had in the ultimate source, let us note that not in one of the world religions not at all to be contained the order, whose fulfillment can cause loss to life and to human health. In this case we deal concerning the introduction into the consciousness of the believers of dogma, which with the specific circumstances can prove to be suicidal in the literal sense of this word. In the materials of the matter there are descriptions of such cases, which were ended by lethal outcome. In such a manner both in the printed materials and in that reflected by the materials of the matter to the practice of the witnesses Of [iegovy] noticeable place occupies [skloneni]e to the failure on the religious motives of the rendering to the medical aid to those, who are located in the dangerous for the life and the health state.

Conclusion regarding 1 as a whole:

In the literature and the documents of the witnesses Of [iegovy] are contained the signs: A) kindling the religious dissension in the form of the undermining of respect and formation of hostility for other religions, b) encroachment of such rights and freedoms of citizens as right to the life and the medical service and right to leisure, and also to the freedom to manage its time.

Question 2. Are the texts of the organization of the witnesses Of [iegovy] the account, which usually is used in the religion.

As it is indicated in the division of the I, with the expert inspection of the texts of the witnesses Of [iegovy] it is established that they bear negative relation to the peace, they attempt to fence off man from the peace and to intimidate him. By an only way out situation is proposed the service To [iegove], at basis of which lies the subordination of the will of man to the will of this organization.

In contrast to the traditional religions, in the literature and the documents of the witnesses Of [iegovy] the greatest attention is paid to the tactics of behavior with the sermon, to the methods of attraction in the organization, the discussion deals constantly with “the service”.

The tactics of behavior pushes aside in these publications to the background religious- moral problems, and serious theological conversation is substituted with the goal-directed suggestion of negative installations with respect to of authorities and Christianity. In the publications of the witnesses Of [iegovy] there are many references about the daily difficulties, medical problems and others the secular matters (all this at the very primitive level - up to the judgment, that “the organized human association under the management of satan, devil it is /.../ evil and corrupted” (“you can live eternally in to paradise on the Earth”, [s].210, 212). Removal from satan and devil will be given as way to Christ and [vosled] to Christ; however, with the simultaneous abuse of Christian church. Against the background a number of the present religious flows of [eykumenicheskogo] kind, from the accepted in them orientations to the reunification of different Christian [konfessiy] to the world association of large religions as a whole (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism) this appears sharply untypical. Finally, for contemporary eastern and western Buddhism is characteristic acknowledgement Christ, and Mohammed ([Mokhammeda]) by particular [inkarnatsiyami] of the world significant divinity, the texts of the witnesses Of [iegovy] also are not inclined to what.

Differences from the traditional religions are noticeable also in how is represented in the investigated texts the structure of the organization of the witnesses Of [iegovy]. Detailed account, removal taking into account, setting to the calculation etcetera - all these are obvious signs of political organization- party, but not religious community. In the traditional religions there is no similar control of believers. So in the orthodoxy there are community- arrivals; and the hierarchy ([blagochiniya], diocese, [patriarkhiya]) confronting above them covers only the servants of cult, but not the mass of believers. Believers in their mass do not enter into this structure: they are free to attend either not to attend service, to participate or not to participate in the sermon of orthodoxy, to select any temple for the visit, etc Organization the witnesses Of [iegovy] is sharply characterized by, according to the texts, proposed for the analysis, the rigid start of each personality in its structure with the unconditional subordination of each member to management.

The witnesses Of [iegovy] in their publications operate with the texts of bible, which is the Scripture for all Christians, and they frequently declare itself by the followers of Christ's [Iisusa]. They draw future followers by reading bible and by promises of the paradise of [n]a to the earth. In this case the texts of the witnesses Of [iegovy] I sometimes shade (without removing in principle) such special features of its organization as: anti-Christian and anti-State directivity; the presence of center abroad. Discipline, which requires, according to the texts of association, categorical obedience and in detail controlling the fulfillment of the standardized obligations and the rest, also is not typical for the traditional (according to public ideas, legal conscience, science and federal law) religions.

The sharp theocratic hierarchical quality of the association (according to the publication “they are organized to carry out our service”, [s].116 - “the leading corporation is exercised by theocratic means leadership and supervision of the meetings throughout the world”), its orientation to “not- thinking” of the individual members of association, its tendency toward the integration of families into the life of the totally imperious extra-secular association, and also the signs of militarized [distsiplinarnosti] of the way of life of [iegovistov], adjusted by the investigated texts, remove the witnesses Of [iegovy] from the traditional religions and draw together them with the phenomena of the discharge of sect.

Conclusion regarding 2: the subjected to the study texts of the organization of the witnesses Of [iegovy] in a number of essential signs differ from the account, which usually is used in the [nesektanskom] religion (in the traditional religions).

Experts:

[V].[P].[Belyanin], the doctor of philological sciences, the professor of the department of psycholinguistics HAZE, the professor of the center of international formation MGU [im]. [M].[V].[Lomonosova], the corresponding member of the academy of humanitarian studies, the academician of Moscow psychotherapeutic academy, the member of the international association of applied psycholinguistics, the member of the board of juridical psychologists;

[M].[M].[Gromyko], the doctor of historical sciences, professor, the main scientific worker of the institute of ethnology and anthropology RAN [Russian Academy of Science]

[D].[A].[Leontev], the doctor of psychological sciences, the docent of the department of psychology of MGU [im]. [M].[V].[Lomonosova], the substitute the chairman of the council of the Moscow department of Russian psychological society;

[S].[A].[Nebolsin], the candidate of philological sciences, that manages by the sector of artistic interactions of the division of theory and methodology of history of literature and [iskusstvoznaniya], the chairman of scientific council for complex problem “Russia, the West and the east” of the institute of world literature RAN [Russian Academy of Science], the member of the administration of the union of the writers of Russi

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Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society

by OrphanCrow in

the watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.

the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.

it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .

OrphanCrow

And for all of you who got Hemopure, were you told that the risk was higher than what you would normally get? Did you know that you were participating in a clinical trial?

You can't possibly be serious. How do you think clinical trials work? You think you get a random package in the mail that says " Hey, try this"?

I apologize - I see that I didn't make myself clear. I was interested in how far down the line the idea of 'informed consent' goes when it comes to JW patients. Do they get the proper medical information that they are entitled to? Which includes the information that they are participating in a clinical trial? Along with all the risks inherent in participating? Or does that information stop at the level of the HLC?

Informed consent is a process in which researchers provide potential and enrolled participants with information about a clinical study. This information helps people decide whether they want to enroll, or continue to participate, in the study. The informed consent process is intended to protect participants and should provide enough information for a person to understand the risks of, potential benefits of, and alternatives to the study. In addition to the informed consent document, the process may involve recruitment materials, verbal instructions, question-and-answer sessions, and activities to measure participant understanding. In general, a person must sign an informed consent document before entering a study to show that he or she was given information on risks, potential benefits, and alternatives and understands it. Signing the document and providing consent is not a contract. Participants may withdraw from a study at any time, even if the study is not over.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/about-studies/learn#HowAreParticipants

Do they get a chance to ask these questions?

Questions to Ask

Anyone interested in participating in a clinical study should know as much as possible about the study and feel comfortable asking the research team questions about the study, the related procedures, and any expenses. The following questions might be helpful during such a discussion. Answers to some of these questions are provided in the informed consent document. Many of these questions are specific to clinical trials, but some also apply to observational studies.

What is being studied?

Why do researchers believe the intervention being tested might be effective? Why might it not be effective? Has it been tested before?

What are the possible interventions that I might receive during the trial?

How will it be determined which interventions I receive (for example, by chance)?

Who will know which intervention I receive during the trial? Will I know? Will members of the research team know?

How do the possible risks, side effects, and benefits of this trial compare with those of my current treatment?

What will I have to do?

What tests and procedures are involved?

How often will I have to visit the hospital or clinic?

Will hospitalization be required?

How long will the study last?

Who will pay for my participation?

Will I be reimbursed for other expenses?

What type of long-term follow-up care is part of this trial?

If I benefit from the intervention, will I be allowed to continue receiving it after the trial ends?

Will results of the study be provided to me?

Who will oversee my medical care while I am in the trial?

What are my options if I am injured during the study?

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/about-studies/learn#Questions

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Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society

by OrphanCrow in

the watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.

the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.

it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .

OrphanCrow

In turn the drug company would ask the WT to clarify with it's members that this is ok to do.

In an ideal world, yes, the WT would "clarify with it's members that this is ok to do". Watchtower Land doesn't work that way.

Can I have a show of hands as to how many of you participated in that 'clarification' when it came to Hemopure? Or, were you just as surprised and a bit confused as to why it was all of a sudden okay to use cows' blood? And for all of you who got Hemopure, were you told that the risk was higher than what you would normally get? Did you know that you were participating in a clinical trial?

Of course I understand the 'informed consent' and LAR consent...but, really, what were you told about Hemopure?

And here is another thing. Study design. A great deal of the discussion in the FDA document was about study design. In addition to the JW group being an ideal control group in that they don't have a RESUS level, the same model offers drawbacks. As the one speaker I quoted above pointed out, such a study does not generalize to the larger population. The fact that a JW refuses a resusitation by alternative, already proven means (blood transfusion) makes them a poor model for predicting outcomes in other patients. Adding another arm to an internal JW clinical trial, one that would mimic external factors better, would make the trial far more benefical. The WTS needed to refine their blood doctrine just a little bit - they needed one more 'arm' to the studies.

And that happened. JWs are now given the option to sign a 'letter of understanding' for their children. I am not sure if they have that option on all the cards now.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/244052/1/Blood-transfusion-Letter-of-Understanding

The doctrine changed in response to the demands of medical research.

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Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society

by OrphanCrow in

the watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.

the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.

it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .

OrphanCrow

but facilitating clinical trials will help in the development of a drug which will save those same people. Being part of a clinical trial is not a bad thing.

Yup, you nailed it. That is the paradox. Or dilemna. And it is a moral question that is debated and exploited all the time.

In this case, however, I am yet to be convinced that was what was going on.

Remember what the one speaker said - the only ones who would really benefit from a Hemopure trial using only JWs were those with a commercial interest in the product.

Biotech companies pay extremely well for recruiters and clinical trial subjects - and they are always on the lookout for compassionate care cases - it is how a lot of products make it to market. The hand and glove fit of pharma and biotech companies with the WTS is evident, especially when the FDA document confirms it.

Now, you may believe that the WTS is doing the one thing everybody says the WTS doesn't do - maybe everybody has really missed the point and all their 'charity work' is done with the HLCs. But, I think we would have heard about it if that were true. It is far more likely that the 'network' of bloodless centers and 'network' of HLC recruiters, receive 'compensation' for their participation in clinical trials and recommendations for 'compassionate use' of drugs not yet approved by the FDA.

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Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society

by OrphanCrow in

the watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.

the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.

it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .

OrphanCrow

Participants openly discuss how the JW patient population has been and can be useful in analyzing various novel hematological strategies and products against current treatment options when a current treatment option is not considered optional by that patient population.

Yes, and that is exactly why this document is so valuable. The participants are named (and hence have a historical bio) and not only that, the document is a transcript - we get a word for word account - and sometimes it even has inflections - of who the players were in the game of artifical blood at the time this was recorded in 2008 and we are given a glimpse into the role of the Watchtower Society and their HLC, who emerge as significant players in this high stakes blood game.

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Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society

by OrphanCrow in

the watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.

the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.

it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .

OrphanCrow

I knew i was getting into a lot of work when I posted the link to the FDA document.

Crazyguy, you asked for pages where the JWs are mentioned. this following quote(s) come from near the end of the document...I have somehow ended up with more than one copy and the one I took this from is over 600 pages long...so I don't know exactly which page it is from.

This is following many pages of opinion on safety, efficacy, compassionae use, study design, etc...and the opinions are divided - some actively support the WTS supplying the control group and compassionate use subjects. The following speaker gives his rationale for using artifical blood for the JW community ("a control that's not getting anything" means...JWs) - he thinks it would be good to at least know if artifical blood will work:

Mr. Carson:

So you’ve just described the first study. Okay, but the first study is to have a control that’s not getting anything. And if you can’t show it works there, then you wouldn’t go and do another study. So it’s a proof of concept, and it would benefit that small group of people and there are more and more people, you know, who are not from a religious point of view, but have other reasons why they would prefer not to have blood.

So I think, to know that we - - you know, we haven’t - - you know, there’s no trial on red cells that shows that it works, okay, our control group, there’s no trial in red cells against the placebo that shows that it works, and there’s no trial with these drugs that shows that it improves outcome.

I think you know, I don’t know what the regulatory part of this thing is, but it sure would contribute to the field to know that, you know, they actually do what we want them to do and they might save some lives. That - I think has value and whether or not it gets to the point whether it’s widely used or not and approved, that’s not – I think that’s a simple question.

This is responded to by the next speaker:

Mr Emmanuel:

I mean I agree with you, it’s a concept and from that standpoint it would be valuable, but it would only be commercial - - it would only interest the commercial companies in this room if there was a widespread off-label use. There is no market and no one would sink a dime into it if the market were Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Only commercial benefits.

Yes.

And the Watchtower Society was in the thick of it - providing those so valuable research subjects to get Hemopure on the market.

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Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society

by OrphanCrow in

the watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.

the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.

it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .

OrphanCrow

they were desperately looking for a way to reverse out of their murderous Blood policy.

Actually, their 'murderous blood policy' was a benefit in this situation. It is that policy that makes for the control group and also creates a 'compassionate' group that speeds the process of approval up. Compassionate use serves a distinct purpose for the pharma companies, in addition to being used for 'patients who are going to die anyways'. If the blood ban was given up, there would no longer be a pressing 'need' to get some products on the market. Compassionate use is often the toehold that is needed by some companies.

I had said earlier that the WTS approved Hemopure in 2000 but there is evidence in the literature that JWs were being given Hemopure before the 'official approval'. The medical literature, at least those studies and trials which have made it to publication, has examples of procedures being done on JW patients long before the Society gave approval on the procedures.

"Volume expanders had been developed back in the 60s by using JW subjects in research facillitated by the Army. (yes...I can back that up...I have the study that shows that...)"

I wouldn't mind seeing that.

The study can be found in this book here:

The book was published by the Watchtower Society and placed with medical professionals across Canada. I don't know if it was used in any other country.

I don't know if you can access this study digitally, but a hard copy would certainly be found in the Society's library.

Electrolyte Solution in Surgical Patients Refusing Transfusion

Seymour Gollub, PhD, MD; Robert Svigals, MD; Charles P. Bailey, MD; Teruo Hirose, MD; and Clara Schaefer
(from St. Barnabas Hospital, Bronx, NY)

Originally published in The Journal of American Medical Association, March 29, 1971, Vol. 215, no. 13

Abstract:

Major blood loss in 13 surgical patients was treated by infusion of crystalloid solution alone, supplemented by colloid plasma expander when necessary. Neither whole blood nor any of its components or fractions was employed at any time. For losses of 21% to 66% of blood volume, Ringer’s solution administered in three to five times the volume of blood loss, produced significant intravascular fluid increments equaling one fifth to three fifths of the shed blood. Colloid solutions were required to sustain blood volumes or blood pressure for patients with blood losses in excess of 1,200 ml, otherwise clinically significant edema was manifested. One week after surgery, blood volumes averaged 90% of original values. The death rate was three thirteenths. The average hospital stay was prolonged 3.4 days.

And this small note just prior to the reference list at the end of the article:

This investigation was supported by the John A. Hartford Foundation and aided by the US Army Surgical Research and Development Command.

about the study:

This communication presents a body of clinical experience with exclusive use of crystalloid solution as alternate therapy to blood transfusion in cases of high-trauma surgery with major blood loss. Though it describes, in many ways, extremes of clinical practice, it may contribute to a clearer understanding of results of nonhemic fluid resuscitation, and help to define safe limits of its employment.

The subjects:

Thirteen consecutively studied cases of a group of surgical patients subjected to a wide range of traumatice procedures are presented. All sustained major blood loss. None received blood or any blood fraction at any time. All were members of the Jehovah’s Witness faith.

I have the entire study scanned, if you are interested. But the quality isn't great.

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Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society

by OrphanCrow in

the watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.

the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.

it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .

OrphanCrow

Crazyguy, I think that what is important to keep in mind concerning this FDA document, is that the WTS gave their approval for Hemopure in 2000.

This FDA discussion occurred 8 years later - 8 years of JWs getting Hemopure and the product was still in clinical trials. The WTS 'approval' of Hemopure was put in place to facillitate clinical trials, not to save the lives of those they had told to refuse blood transfusions.

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Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society

by OrphanCrow in

the watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.

the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.

it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .

OrphanCrow

Hemopure? Correct me please; isnt this a derivative or bovine blood?

Yes, Hemopure is a bovine derived hemoglobin substitute. It is made from cow's blood.

This article is over 120 pages can you list the pages that deal with the JW's and also back up your statement, thanks

Actually, it is over 300 pages long. If you use the search function you can find all the place that Jehovah's Witnesses are mentioned in the document.

But - for a very condensed version of the document, what is happening is that a number of interested and concerned parties got together to talk about the safety and efficiacy of artifical blood and how to proceed with research into it. A meta-analysis of available data (because many of the trials never did submit results - notably, Hemopure was one of the biggest trangressors of not turning in data to the FDA) revealed this:

We conclude, based on analysis of the available data from clinical trials, hemoglobin=based blood substitutes are associated with a significant risk of death and myocardial infarction.

They discuss the safety issues - some say that they can fix the problems with the artifical blood that is causing the higher rates of death and heart attacks - and they discuss what kind of study design is most valid and would have the most benefit. Guniea pigs, monkeys and dogs are discussed as to why or why not they would be the way to proceed with subjects for trials. And, they discuss, several times, whether or not the JWs would be suitable for a sample group.

pg 279 - Dr. Vlahake from Harvard makes this comment:

I wouldn’t necessarily give up on the Jehovah’s Witness population and just share with you a couple of insights in having managed a number of those patients over the 22 years I have been in the specialty our group along with our colleagues in cardiac anesthesia have had a number of these people referred through their own network. This is for those of you who have not had the opportunity to work with Jehovah’s Witness patients. They have a medical liaison network in every city in the US and the headquarters in the religion is the Watchtower Society in Brooklyn. And we have had the senior members of that organization come to our administration and there have been meetings about creating a referral relationship, and the patients who are willing to travel.

And so you could conceivably design a surgical trial and you could pick a handful of surgical specialties where there is a reasonable likelihood of needing a transfusion, and design it regionally at several major centers in the US, engage the Church and the medical liaison people that are part of the Church and to reach out into the community to bring those patients into the system, and then carefully design the clinical trial and then even potentially have a crossover option if it comes down to life-threatening anemia which we’re going to encounter in some of those patients you start to do larger and larger surgeries.

There are other places in the document that refers to the JWs. The arguments are a bit complicated and there is much to be said in the analysis of the text, including who was involved in the discussion and their interests and prior history with the Watchtower, but, what emerges is that the WTS was on the side of Biopure in the discussion - in spite of the very real concerns with safety and efficiacy, the WTS wanted to proceed with trials in the JW population.

What is important to remember in all of this, is that Hemopure would be being tested against the treatment currently done on JWs - the use of volume expanders, not oxygen carriers - and that the Hemopure to that point did not perform as well as current treatment. Volume expanders had been developed back in the 60s by using JW subjects in research facillitated by the Army. (yes...I can back that up...I have the study that shows that...)

As far as backing up my statements goes...the document I linked to does that - I apologize for the density of it - I understand that it is a difficult read.

Atlantis - you are most welcome.

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Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society

by OrphanCrow in

the watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.

the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.

it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .

OrphanCrow

How would a current jw spin this? --"jw's do not serve in the US Military but we ALL do alternative service....."? or would they be horrified?

I don't know, Carla, but maybe somene should ask them how they feel about their contribution to what they have been told to hate - military service. No, they don't wear a uniform, and they don't salute the flag...but I wonder if they get the Stars and Stripes draped over their body on the way to the morgue after having plastic blood pumped into their veins. Soldiers get resusitated on the battlefield - JWs don't even get that.

And here is another great irony: if you do any research into the current state of the artificial blood industry, one of the huge selling points is that artifical blood can be used as a long shelf life emergency response to disaster situations instead of relying on live blood donors. I will have to look for the quote, but I think I even read an account of a Jehovah's witness being saved by artifical blood during the 9/11 disaster as a selling point for moving artifical blood research along.

So, here we have, on one hand, a group of people who are being told that 'God' is going to destroy all those bad people...yet the very same ones who are telling them that are using them for lab rats to develop technology to help all those bad people to survive 'armageddon'.

Now that, is one of the biggest deceptions I have encountered in a long time.

Tell me, how would you spin this to a person who has an active noblood card in their pocket?