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Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

by Simon in

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the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

LoveUniHateExams

majority of the UK people voted for parties supporting either Remain or second referendum - but that's only because the majority of our MPs voted Remain and want us to stay.

So, more political parties ran on manifestos that wanted to stop/overturn the 2016 referendum result.

It was only two parties that stuck up for the will of the UK electorate - the Conservatives and the Brexit party.

All the pro-Remain MPs got slaughtered - it was a total bloodbath and a sharp reminder to our MPs not to ignore the will of the people.

Dominic Grieve - gone.

Jo Swinson - gone.

Chuka Umunna - gone.

Anna Soubry - gone.

etc., etc.

We've now had two votes for Brexit - one referendum and one general election. The message sent to our 'honourable' Members of Parliament is crystal-clear: get brexit done. I hope they listen to the people they claim to serve.

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Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

by Simon in

jw
friends

the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

LoveUniHateExams

It’s for the SNP to decide when to have another vote - no, it's not.

Boris just got elected to be PM of the UK on a manifesto promising to 'Get Brexit Done'.

So, first, we get brexit done (i.e. the whole of the UK, including Scotland, leaving the EU) - however long this may take - and only afterwards can Scotland have IndyRef Mk 2.

There's also one important caveat: the Scottish electorate will be asked the question whether they want to remain in or leave the UK. Whichever way the vote goes, it will be understood by both Leavers and Remainers that the political union known as the UK won't be broken up in the event that Leave wins - i.e. the UK will continue as a political union with or without Scotland.

Boris Johnson just got elected UK Prime Minister with a huge majority and therefore with a clear political mandate. This must be accepted by all before we can proceed.

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Greta Thunberg...what’s your view of her?

by minimus in

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she certainly is passionate about climate change.

🤔.

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she has a passion for a cause - but what's her cause? We haven't worked that out yet.

If I were being cynical, I'd note that she lectures capitalist countries but not communist/socialist ones like China and conclude that her agenda is to overthrow capitalism.

Show me where I'd be wrong; change my mind ...

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What The Fossils Say

by cofty in

the old creation book had a lot to say about the fossil record.

if i remember correctly it was some lie about all the fossils ever found would fit on a single table.

the reality is that there is an embarrassment of riches illustrating the evolution of life.

LoveUniHateExams

This is how sparse the fossil record is re 'Ape-Men', lol ...

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Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

by Simon in

jw
friends

the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

LoveUniHateExams

England voted against having another EU referendum - the UK voted against having another EU referendum.

Scotland voted in favour of having another independence referendum - well, the SNP did very well and have another UK indy ref on their manifesto.

But how many UK indy refs do you want?

Just one more, as long as Leave the UK wins?

Best of three?

Or just keep re-running it until you get the answer you want (which is leave the UK)?

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Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

by Simon in

jw
friends

the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

LoveUniHateExams

Is there ANY democratic mandate for an independence referendum in Scotland that the UK would respect? - how often do you want UK independence referendums?

Every 5 years?

If Scotland had a second UK indy ref and chose again to remain in the UK, would you and Wee Jimmy Krankie accept the result and shut up about it?

The 2014 UK independence referendum was marketed as a once in a generation event.

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Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

by Simon in

jw
friends

the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

LoveUniHateExams

@SBF - the problem for the SNP and Scots who want to leave the UK is that they've had that referendum in 2014 and voted to remain in the UK.

Scotland has decided its future. You're moaning because the referendum didn't go the way you wanted.

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Will Brexiteers be happy with Phase 2 of Brexit?

by The Fall Guy in

"brussels plans to insist that in order to get that "quick and dirty" deal, the prime minister would have to sign up to eu conditions: alignment with eu environmental, state aid and tax regulations for example.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50777995.

would such a deal represent what they thought they were voting for in the referendum?.

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Ireland/N.I. situation also looks to have taken a new twist - does it? First I've heard of it.

As far as I can see, Boris Johnson said he'd put the border in the Irish Sea and he's just been elected with a huge majority.

Surely Boris can get on with putting the border in the Irish Sea in due time?

What am I missing here?

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Greta Thunberg...what’s your view of her?

by minimus in

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friends

she certainly is passionate about climate change.

🤔.

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@Min - I know the point you're making and there is some truth in what you say.

But, social media is a bit like the Wild West - there's quite a lot of roasting, making fun of people, etc. Greta's parents should protect her from that. And I don't think they're doing their job properly.

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Will Brexiteers be happy with Phase 2 of Brexit?

by The Fall Guy in

"brussels plans to insist that in order to get that "quick and dirty" deal, the prime minister would have to sign up to eu conditions: alignment with eu environmental, state aid and tax regulations for example.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50777995.

would such a deal represent what they thought they were voting for in the referendum?.

LoveUniHateExams

Yes, I agree with Cofty - I want the UK to have no political union with the EU.

Mutually beneficial trade deals should be sorted out, however long they take.

I'm realistic in that I know Brexit won't happen over night. But I'm reasonably happy - Boris has won a huge majority, giving him the clear democratic mandate he needs. Also, I feel as if Boris genuinely wants to do Brexit (compare his behaviour with that of Theresa May's).

Hopefully Brexit will begin in February.

Would such a deal represent what they thought they were voting for in the referendum? - it's impossible to answer this question. People had the choice of UK remain or UK leave on the ballot. Those Brexiteers who want a hard Brexit, No Deal need to accept that Boris will do the best he can to get us out.