Posts by berrygerry

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130 years of protecting molesters

by berrygerry in

another sad case.. two sisters molested (no intercourse).. wts gets warrants quashed.. http://www.canlii.org/en/sk/skqb/doc/2005/2005skqb165/2005skqb165.html?searchurlhash=aaaaaqahamvob3zhaaaaaaab.

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berrygerry

This case is probably on here somewhere - it seems like a bottomless pit.

http://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2003/2003canlii2429/2003canlii2429.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAHamVob3ZhaAAAAAAB

Best quote - from the molesting father:

"Mr. G.P. privately apologized to the plaintiff for his conduct, while at the same time telling her that she had, after all, "enjoyed it too"."

Barbara and Penton were prepared to testify, but not allowed (Kudos, Barbara).

Worst quote - from the judge:

I accept the evidence of John Didur that it is not now the policy of the Jehovah's Witness to require a victim of abuse to proceed through the steps envisioned in verses 15-18 of Matthew 18, nor was that the policy in 1989. He explained that Matthew 18 applies to private disputes between people, such as disputes over financial matters, and cannot be applied to a serious sin against God's laws, such as child abuse. I understand why the defence witnesses are genuinely puzzled as to how this could have come up in this situation. However, I am confident that Matthew 18 was mentioned specifically to the plaintiff and that she was told it applied. Further, I am confident that it was after receiving this advice that she spoke to the M.s.

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WT Study Article Nov. 23, 2014--Adam understood "day" to be 24 hours

by Cadellin in

interesting admission in today's wt: adam may have understood "day" (as in "in the day you eat from it, you will positively die") to be a literal 24-hour period.

i don't think the wt has ever said this before; the usual emphasis is that jah meant it as a figurative day, a day from his standpoint which is 1,000 years (and the article does state that, later).. however, if adam understood god's warning to be carried out in a 24 hour period, and god did nothing to alleviate that, then who did the lying?

actually, regardless of adam's understanding, the question still stands but moving toward an admission of the use of day in that context to be 24-hours only makes the question even more valid.

berrygerry

After every creative day God proceeds to bless and pronouce his work as good.

Was at a Christian group supper a while ago.

One Christian woman explained that God saw everything and it was good, and then when God realized that all of the animals had mates, but Adam did not, He, for the first time said that it was "not good."

I slapped my palm to my forehead, and gave a Homer Simpson D'oh, and then said: "Oh, so it was an oversight."

And then I said, "After all, He is getting old."

Went over like a lead balloon.

(One mumbled, Blasphemy)

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130 years of protecting molesters

by berrygerry in

another sad case.. two sisters molested (no intercourse).. wts gets warrants quashed.. http://www.canlii.org/en/sk/skqb/doc/2005/2005skqb165/2005skqb165.html?searchurlhash=aaaaaqahamvob3zhaaaaaaab.

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berrygerry

Another sad case.

Two sisters molested (no intercourse).

WTS gets warrants quashed.

http://www.canlii.org/en/sk/skqb/doc/2005/2005skqb165/2005skqb165.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAHamVob3ZhaAAAAAAB

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WT Study Article Nov. 23, 2014--Adam understood "day" to be 24 hours

by Cadellin in

interesting admission in today's wt: adam may have understood "day" (as in "in the day you eat from it, you will positively die") to be a literal 24-hour period.

i don't think the wt has ever said this before; the usual emphasis is that jah meant it as a figurative day, a day from his standpoint which is 1,000 years (and the article does state that, later).. however, if adam understood god's warning to be carried out in a 24 hour period, and god did nothing to alleviate that, then who did the lying?

actually, regardless of adam's understanding, the question still stands but moving toward an admission of the use of day in that context to be 24-hours only makes the question even more valid.

berrygerry

So what happened to the first human race?

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WT Study Article Nov. 23, 2014--Adam understood "day" to be 24 hours

by Cadellin in

interesting admission in today's wt: adam may have understood "day" (as in "in the day you eat from it, you will positively die") to be a literal 24-hour period.

i don't think the wt has ever said this before; the usual emphasis is that jah meant it as a figurative day, a day from his standpoint which is 1,000 years (and the article does state that, later).. however, if adam understood god's warning to be carried out in a 24 hour period, and god did nothing to alleviate that, then who did the lying?

actually, regardless of adam's understanding, the question still stands but moving toward an admission of the use of day in that context to be 24-hours only makes the question even more valid.

berrygerry

They could have had sex, but Eve may not have reached puberty yet.

(If she had, there should have been a prohibition against sex during her period.)

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No longer to use "house to house record" slips and "please follow up slips"!

by stuckinarut2 in

a letter has just been read out indicating that effective immediately, witnesses are no longer to use the s-8 slip known as the "house to house" record slip, as well as the s-43 "please follow up" slip (usually used for foreign language people).. the letter stated that this is because of the changes in privacy laws etc that are becoming common in the world today.. i will try and get a copy of the full letter and post it asap.. .

berrygerry

In congo's where the BS overseer hands out the territory, and then receives it back with notes about the HH and their family, there could definitely be liability issues.

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Leo Greenless - was he jailed?

by berrygerry in

it would appear that leo fought the cdn draft on the grounds of being a minister, which he was denied.. did he go to prison?.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1946/1946canlii2/1946canlii2.pdf.

is that where he picked up his, ummmm, sexual identity?.

berrygerry

At least Brother Greenlees had been protected.

(Sorry to bump my own post)

And protected, and protected ...

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Leo Greenless - was he jailed?

by berrygerry in

it would appear that leo fought the cdn draft on the grounds of being a minister, which he was denied.. did he go to prison?.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1946/1946canlii2/1946canlii2.pdf.

is that where he picked up his, ummmm, sexual identity?.

berrygerry

79 Yearbook

Undaunted, Jehovah’s people got ready to try again. The government wanted to conscript Leo K. Greenlees of the Toronto branch office staff (now of the Governing Body), who had been a full-time minister since 1931. Instead of waiting for the authorities to prosecute, an action for declaratory judgment was instituted entitled Greenlees v. Attorney-General for Canada. The suit demanded a declaration that Leo Greenlees was a minister not subject to the draft. This was a bold move that left the opposition astonished. The war was still on and anything touching the military was considered almost sacrosanct. Yet, here was an organization that had just come out from under ban. Instead of quietly shrinking away, it was making an unabashed demand for justice and fair treatment. Jehovah’s Witnesses were back on the scene and everybody knew it!

The Greenlees case was given a full hearing by Mr. Justice Hogg of the Supreme Court of Ontario. Evidence was given by L. K. Greenlees, Percy Chapman and Hayden C. Covington. In spite of the strong evidence, the trial judge dismissed the action on weak and specious reasoning. Appeal was taken to the Ontario Court of Appeal, which also gave an evasive decision, essentially refusing to deal with the true legal issue. Next, application was made for leave to appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. But it refused to hear the appeal on the technical ground that there was no financial claim involved in the case.

The only remaining remedy was an appeal to the Privy Council in London, England. A motion for appeal was filed in London for hearing during October 1946. Just before the time for argument, however, the government repealed the conscription law. There was no law left to argue about; so the case terminated without a final decision. At least Brother Greenlees had been protected.

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Leo Greenless - was he jailed?

by berrygerry in

it would appear that leo fought the cdn draft on the grounds of being a minister, which he was denied.. did he go to prison?.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1946/1946canlii2/1946canlii2.pdf.

is that where he picked up his, ummmm, sexual identity?.

berrygerry

The SCC was 1946 - the original decision from 1944. By 1946, the war was well over, so did the original decision become moot?

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Leo Greenless - was he jailed?

by berrygerry in

it would appear that leo fought the cdn draft on the grounds of being a minister, which he was denied.. did he go to prison?.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1946/1946canlii2/1946canlii2.pdf.

is that where he picked up his, ummmm, sexual identity?.

berrygerry

How about "discovered?"

(I have no idea of whether or not one genuinely becomes gay or not - I think some are definitely genetically wired that way - I do think that others experiment sexually.)