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Announcement from SPAIN: On Monday, the 26th online in the a.m. in the online edition of www.elperiodico.es...

by AndersonsInfo in

announcement from spain:.

on monday 26th septriembre, www.elperiodico.es published in its online edition the first publicly reported case of child abuse and harassment in spain watchtower, digital edition monday, tuesday print edition.

please maximum dissemination of the link, it will be online early in the morning of monday 26, in the online edition.

darkspilver

Sarah, transexual: "Los Testigos han prohibido a mi madre que viva conmigo"

La víctima ha presentado en Salamanca la segunda denuncia por acoso contra la organización religiosa
La extestigo cree que han presionado a su familia para que se quede con el dinero que ahorró prostituyéndose

Sarah, transsexual: "Witnesses have forbidden my mother to live with me"

The victim has filed in Salamanca the second complaint of harassment against religious organization
The extestigo believed to have pressured his family to stay with the money he saved prostituting

http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/sarah-transexual-los-testigos-han-prohibido-madre-que-viva-conmigo-5454048

Sarah, transsexual: "Witnesses have forbidden my mother to live with me"

The victim has filed in Salamanca the second complaint of harassment against religious organization
The extestigo believed to have pressured his family to stay with the money he saved prostituting
Sarah, a transsexual who, still a man, was expelled in 2000 by a Brazilian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses after admitting he was attracted by men, presented in Salamanca the second complaint of harassment against this religious organization, after which presented Miguel Garcia, as has been told this newspaper. In a statement at the police station of the Civil Guard, calls for the intervention of Spanish justice to recover the money he sent his family to Brazil after 8 years working as a prostitute in Italy and Spain.
He entered an international prostitution ring that brought her to Italy for paid sex change. Four years ago, he landed in Spain. During this period, in an irregular situation, he sent all the money he saved his mother. The plan was to buy a house they would live together. Her mother had been expelled from the same congregation as her. The first for adultery in 1997 and the second by immorality, in 2000. Sarah contacted his mother from Europe, they resumed their relationship and put the house on behalf of the parent.
READMISSION MOTHER
The problems have come after his mother was readmitted within the congregation. Sarah, who was already disowned by her father when she was cast creed, was startled to learn of their return because it was feared that the Witnesses would cut the link regenerated.
"I noticed how more and took longer to answer my messages," he explains. His worst fears were confirmed. Soon she told him that "they should not live together." He stopped calling Sarah and returned to use their "male name" to refer to it. Daughter sent her transsexuality publications normalized, but the mother never accepted reading them. Sarah, desperate, contacted the congregation to ask her mother to lift the ban relate to it. She has also been ignored. "I lost my family, but at least I'd get the money I've earned with prostitution," implores.
http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/sarah-transexual-los-testigos-han-prohibido-madre-que-viva-conmigo-5454048

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Announcement from SPAIN: On Monday, the 26th online in the a.m. in the online edition of www.elperiodico.es...

by AndersonsInfo in

announcement from spain:.

on monday 26th septriembre, www.elperiodico.es published in its online edition the first publicly reported case of child abuse and harassment in spain watchtower, digital edition monday, tuesday print edition.

please maximum dissemination of the link, it will be online early in the morning of monday 26, in the online edition.

darkspilver

Paul Marshall, extestigo de Jehová:

"Les preocupan más los gais que los pederastas"

Paul Marshall, extestigo Jehovah:

"I care more gay men pedophiles"

http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/paul-marshall-extestigo-jehova-les-preocupan-mas-los-gais-que-los-pederastas-5454461

NOTE - there is a 73 second video on the above page which is in ENGLISH

Paul Marshall, extestigo Jehovah

"I care more gay men pedophiles"
Paul Marshall's mother was cleaning the dishes when he, with 9 years, asked what was a "homosexual". He wanted to know because it came with regional concentrations of Jehovah's Witnesses that were held in southern England and there was much talk about this sexual orientation. His mother replied, "They are people very sick, stay away from them." Paul soon crossed the street with a man who was in a wheelchair and believed he had seen a gay for the first time.
When did you solved the misunderstanding? Later my friends explained to me that being gay meant you liked boys.
Le You liked? He had always been attracted by some boys in the class. Never for girls. was still nothing sexual, just one liked me and the other not. But I had not the courage to accept it. I married at age 17 with a woman named by the congregation.
It worked? The way I wanted. We even had a son. But it was not happy. Without being authentic I ended up depressed and finally, after four years of marriage, I had to tell the truth to my wife.
It was hard? It was a horrible conversation. We kept the phone. I said, "I think I'm gay." She did not answer and I let go of everything: "No, the truth is that I know I'm gay."
How did the congregation react? There was a trial and one of the elders told me that the last man who had heard him say something like that was over flying brains with a gun. I do not think I said to give me ideas but to warn me that, in his view, was condemning me.
Se Felt finally released? It was not so simple. At first I thought it was finished. I felt scared, anxious at the prospect of it was true that the devil had possessed me. Needed to completely rebuild my way of relating with the world.
Seguía Believing the same? At first of course. Jump from the congregation involved also accept the possibility that I stay out of paradise to die. That was the worst, learn to live with that.
How long did you? A lot. At first I chose to do the opposite of what he had done before: a lot of sex and a lot of drugs. He was not good. Little by little I quieting, but it's hard to forget the things they taught you to believe. When the Twin Towers collapsed in 2001, I remember perfectly that I was afraid he was coming Armageddon.
Los Jehovah's Witnesses are openly homophobic? His actions show that they are, because they exclude jhomosexuales. Although publicly they are even able to deny it. They are obsessed with homosexuality. Now I realize that worry them much more gay men that pedophilia.
Cuesta To believe ... I know of cases of pedophiles that have been hidden by the organization. And I know that child abuse is a serious problem for them. It is also because there are many gay men who behave wretchedly because of repression.
What would you say to homosexuals still hiding their orientation to be part of this creed? Any fundamentalism prevents listen to themselves and that's the most dangerous. To forget about everything the organization has told them is wrong and verify it personally, because by doing so they will find the answers they are seeking. Do not be afraid, there is a place full of light and love outside world, that there is no end black with threatening them not to follow your heart.
http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/paul-marshall-extestigo-jehova-les-preocupan-mas-los-gais-que-los-pederastas-5454461

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Announcement from SPAIN: On Monday, the 26th online in the a.m. in the online edition of www.elperiodico.es...

by AndersonsInfo in

announcement from spain:.

on monday 26th septriembre, www.elperiodico.es published in its online edition the first publicly reported case of child abuse and harassment in spain watchtower, digital edition monday, tuesday print edition.

please maximum dissemination of the link, it will be online early in the morning of monday 26, in the online edition.

darkspilver

Homofobia en el nombre de Jehová

La confesión considera que la homosexualidad es una enfermedad y expulsa a quienes la ejercen
Cuatro extestigos de Jehová relatan el acoso de la organización religiosa por su condición sexual

Homophobia in the name of Jehovah

Four extestigos Jehovah tell harassment of religious organization for their sexual orientation
Confession think that homosexuality is a disease and expels those who exercise

http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/historias-homofobia-testigos-jehova-5438263

Homophobia in the name of Jehovah

Four extestigos Jehovah tell harassment of religious organization for their sexual orientation
Confession think that homosexuality is a disease and expels those who exercise
The front door flew open and the man rushed up the stairs in search of air from the street. With empty pockets, he left his family and ran without looking back until it was swallowed by the night of Barcelona. Thus began to leave Jehovah's Witnesses one of four gay men who have reported to NEWSPAPER how oppressive homophobia behind this religious confession, which has more than 100,000 devotees in Spain and more than 8 million around the world them forced to betray themselves for many years. There are four extestigos who have dared to speak after Miguel Garcia, who complained to the Mossos harassment and parallel justice of confession, break the ice in this newspaper.
Before age 20, Jordi (not her real name) to three of his congregation judicial committees created to try him for having homosexual relations faced. He overcame the first two repenting for their actions and agreeing not to relapse. In the third, the three elders who judged him gave him up for lost and was ejected. "It was I who confessed those meetings, because I felt very bad," he says. He did penance for two years. He sat with his family in the last row of the hall the kingdom of his congregation. "I wanted to 'be good' and my parents trusted that redeem me." He managed to be readmitted at the end of the trial period. He sought a woman, married and tried to be what was expected of him: a heterosexual devotee who formed a family with a woman named by Jehovah's Witnesses. Until he could not take it anymore. Jordi is the one that ran from home at night to escape a life impostada.
No one leaves Jehovah's Witnesses saying goodbye with a handshake of those who hitherto have been his 'brothers'. Leave "the truth" and into "the world" -using the terms by which they distinguish what is inside and outside their spiritual bubble is almost a personal shipwreck. Although have left voluntarily, expulsion means your family and friends-all that have- give them back. Also it is to assume the worst fears: witnesses claim that Armageddon (the end of the world) is something that is coming and that only those who have been baptized in their faith will be rescued and taken to paradise.
GAIS FOR NO PARADISE
Christian sources in Catalonia Jehovah Witnesses claim that theirs did not feel "phobia anyone." However, they resemble the seriousness of being gay to being a thief, and admit that there are members who have been expelled for homosexual relations. This confession interprets the Bible in a literal way and, on homosexuality, the sacred text of the Catholic Church says this, Corinthians chapter 6 verse 9: "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God will not you deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals (...) will inherit the kingdom of God. "
Albert, another gay extestigo Barcelona claiming a false name to not add pain to his parents, stresses that this confession choose carefully the words you use. "They Never say that you are homophobic, but they are". The degree of manipulation suffering devotees got him "completely resign" to exercise their sexuality after admitting he did not like women. "I forgot all my existence by God," he explains. "They did it through guilt, because I did feel like a sinner fear, first to lose my family, and keep down my self-esteem." Leaving the community, with more than 40 years, she was "dying". They have more than two years past. How is it going? "I keep tearing chunks of skin almost daily, ways of thinking that thought they were mine and still belonged to any coercion exerted on me," he explains.
Consider homosexuality a "disease" and believe they can "cure". In the UK, during the regional meetings held once or twice each year, talks constantly talking about homosexuality, says Paul Marshall, a man of 50 who belonged to a congregation of Witnesses in Hastings (South Inglaterrra) .
Sarah, a transgender woman who was born a man in 1979 in Brazil, tried as Jordi, Albert and Paul being who was expected of her. He was beaten and insulted at school by effeminate and at home, after being expelled from his congregation, his father and his sister stopped wanting to sit at the same table with her. During his judicial committee was sincere with the elders and told them that he knew what he had to do was be attracted to women but "did not get it." The ruling was throw her "sexual immorality," a sentence that read publicly in the kingdom hall Jaboatao, Recife (Brazil).
Four stories that bind to Miguel Garcia to denounce the persecution of gay men of this creed.
http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/historias-homofobia-testigos-jehova-5438263

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New Song Book - interesting change of lyrics

by Tallon in

i found this image on cedars latest article and believe it was originally posted on reddit.

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you know how the org is always pleading poverty and continuously asking for donations; well how is this for a subtle way of changing lyrics in order to get the publishers to think continually on giving!.

darkspilver

There's already a few threads on this topic. On one of them, it points out that the revised lyric actually appeared in the 1928 & 1950 versions of the song book.

And don't forget the original hymn

See the full discussion about this lyric from yesterday post

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5629661553885184/_post/5701248659488768

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Gloria Naylor, 66, dies, former JW missionary, The Color Purple

by blondie in

jw
friends

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/gloria-naylor-whose-novels-gave-voice-to-african-american-women-dies-at-66/2016/10/04/73d64318-8a3d-11e6-bff0-d53f592f176e_story.html.

after graduating from high school, ms. naylor worked as a missionary for the jehovah’s witnesses in north carolina and florida before leaving the church in the mid-1970s, finding herself disillusioned with what she called the limited role that it prescribed for women..

darkspilver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed9EmS_pgpQ

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Gloria Naylor, 66, dies, former JW missionary, The Color Purple

by blondie in

jw
friends

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/gloria-naylor-whose-novels-gave-voice-to-african-american-women-dies-at-66/2016/10/04/73d64318-8a3d-11e6-bff0-d53f592f176e_story.html.

after graduating from high school, ms. naylor worked as a missionary for the jehovah’s witnesses in north carolina and florida before leaving the church in the mid-1970s, finding herself disillusioned with what she called the limited role that it prescribed for women..

darkspilver

Gloria Naylor wrote “The Women of Brewster Place.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Women_of_Brewster_Place_(novel)

Alice Walker wrote "The Color Purple."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Color_Purple

Both novels were written/released in the same year (1982)

I believe Walker is still alive?

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Oklahoma - Moms in Prison

by darkspilver in

oklahoma incarcerates more women than any state.

what it’s doing to stop moms from going to prison.

oklahoma incarcerates more women per capita than any other state, at a rate of 142 per 100,000. on sept. 25, 2015, lacie maytubby, 35, came into women in recovery on a lesser charge—drug possession, not trafficking—and without ever experiencing prison, but her addiction to heroin and opioids was at its worst.. maytubby had just learned her father was in the late stages of cancer.

darkspilver

Oklahoma Incarcerates More Women Than Any State. What It’s Doing to Stop Moms From Going to Prison

Oklahoma incarcerates more women per capita than any other state, at a rate of 142 per 100,000
On Sept. 25, 2015, Lacie Maytubby, 35, came into Women in Recovery on a lesser charge—drug possession, not trafficking—and without ever experiencing prison, but her addiction to heroin and opioids was at its worst.
Maytubby had just learned her father was in the late stages of cancer. Her mother called and urged her to visit him at the hospital. Maytubby had not been there for her parents during most of her adult life, too blinded by addiction, but she certainly couldn’t miss the last moments of her father’s.
While she vowed to be present this time, the only way she could bear it, she says, was to numb the experience with drugs. So on the drive to the hospital, Maytubby says, she pulled over to the side of the road for a quick high.
By the time she was ready to face her father, and had arrived, he was already dead.
“My addiction just took the last precious moment I had with my father, and I felt like I didn’t even have a choice,” Maytubby tells The Daily Signal in one of a series of interviews. “It was what I had to do. That was the true moment I got scared. Wow, this is bigger than me.”
Maytubby’s father previously had been a drug addict himself, but she learned this only after he died. Her parents had never told her, although Maytubby had always suspected something was different about her father, a car salesman by trade, who seemed to empathize more with her struggles.
Yet her parents were private and sheltering, having homeschooled her in an environment where religion was practiced—her mother was a Jehovah’s Witness minister—and formal education was not.
As a curious 15-year-old, Maytubby snuck away to a Tulsa skating rink to try cocaine with some boys.
“I was so sheltered that I was willing to do anything to give me a sense of freedom,” Maytubby says. “It just so happened drugs were what was presented to me. That’s the first thing I was choosing to do on my own. Whether it was the right decision or not, it was my decision.”
When Maytubby’s parents discovered she was using drugs, they kicked her out of the house at 16.
She never attended college, and was first arrested in 2001 when she totaled her car after passing out while driving high.
As the police applied handcuffs to haul Maytubby away, her then 2-year-old eldest daughter, Emma, cried in her car seat.
http://dailysignal.com/2016/10/04/oklahoma-incarcerates-more-women-than-any-state-what-its-doing-to-stop-moms-from-going-to-prison

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“Sing Out Joyfully” to Jehovah

by wifibandit in

borg link warning: “sing out joyfully” to jehovah.

non-borg pdf mirror: “sing out joyfully” to jehovah.

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darkspilver

Hey ShirleyW!

Do the old timers here remember song number 1 from the old green songbook, it was called "Hail Him" growing up in the sixties, I remember we sang that one just one time, you can tell it's taken from a gospel rock and roller, really got you going, I know I"m not the oldest here but does anyone else remember song #1 from the old green songbook?

There's an introductory melody, the song proper, with vocals, starts at 1.25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uKmnAtEDGs

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Onda Cero: Te doy mi palabra

by sp74bb in

jw
friends

this saturday i had the opportunity to be interviewed by an important spanish radio leader: isabel gemio.. you can hear it at: link.

darkspilver

Nathan Natas
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5635931333722112/_post/5694904791465984

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“Sing Out Joyfully” to Jehovah

by wifibandit in

borg link warning: “sing out joyfully” to jehovah.

non-borg pdf mirror: “sing out joyfully” to jehovah.

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darkspilver

What's also interesting is how the WT have used that lyric - take my silver and my gold; nothing, Lord, would I withhold - in the introduction to an article...

(which is also kinda funny, because the following year after the article was published, the song was taken out of the purple 1966 song book)

Watchtower 1 May 1965, pages 281 to 284

Use of One’s Resources in a Godly Way
“HONOR Jehovah with your valuable things,” says Jehovah’s inspired Word, the Holy Bible. These valuable things or resources are referred to in a song sung by the Christian witnesses of Jehovah. Called “Dedication,” the song, which appears in the booklet Songs to Jehovah’s Praise, says, in part: “Take my moments and my days, let them flow in constant praise; take my silver and my gold; nothing, Lord, would I withhold.”—Prov. 3:9.
Using time in a Godly way (2 paragraphs long)
Use of one's strength and energy (3 paragraphs long)
Use of financial resourses (9 paragraphs long, excluding concluding para)

Link to scans