Splash, Thankyou for all that. I'm really glad to see how many papers are picking this up and have not had the time. Please keep doing it. I go to sort out about a trip to Sydney tomorrow.
umbertoecho
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News item in Sweden on Child abuse Royal commission Australia
by InquiryMan inalready on its first day of hearing, this case makes headlines on the other side of the globe.
swedish regional newspaper carries this coverage:.
http://www.vk.se/1496701/jehovas-vittnen-dolde-sexovergrepp.
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Royal Commission convened for now, but Jackson is an asshole
by umbertoecho ini have just finished listening to this man jackson.
i remember him well.
he is twisting things around as much as he is allowed.
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Orphan Cow,
I did miss that slip up. I will try to find that in the transcript. The questioning is well done and the evasive manner of those being questioned is very obvious to those conducting the investigation. Much, much more will come out and it will not be on WT terms. Already they are asking why the society didn't feel bad for the victims and would they do things differently today. Answer..........basically the same as it has always been. Phone head quarters first. They all said that.
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Update on Royal Commission
by umbertoecho inpaedophiles repeatedly promoted to positions of authority in jehovahs witness church royal commission told.
1 hour ago july 27, 2015 12:45pm.
counsel assisting the royal commission, angus stewart sc has told the royal commission that church elders could now face criminal charges.
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Torninto.
I agree with great sadness and anger. I don't know what to think at the moment. I was shocked all over again at the testimony of these women. They held such hope and faith, they were treated less than an animal. There is no sense of "shame" of wanting to put things right that I have heard from Jackson. He is strictly corporate and has not one ounce of decency in him. He is an anit witness if anything. He is perfectly suited to being an example of JWs lack of empathy. I want them to give him a lot of rope.........coils of the stuff
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Media headline:Jehovah's Witnesses did not report 1006 alleged sex abusers to police, royal commission told
by fulltimestudent incheck it for yourself: .
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/jehovahs-witnesses-did-not-report-1006-alleged-sex-abusers-to-police-royal-commission-told-20150727-gil1u7.
not a good look!.
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umbertoecho
They keep repeating the party line about calling the legal department. No matter how they try to squirm out of it. In the end it comes down to saying just that. They cannot deny it as the Royal Commission has the "book" right there infront of them and refer to it for information. For those who are defending the WT view, it's a hard one to get out of. They can't lie, not really, for it they do that then they lose credibility straight away. It's interesting in a legal sense.
Jacksons callousness is so evident in his voice. I always remember wondering why he was taken off the circuit in 2011-12. Now I see why. He was aware of impending investigation and was taken out of the lime light. That is my opinion only
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Update on Royal Commission
by umbertoecho inpaedophiles repeatedly promoted to positions of authority in jehovahs witness church royal commission told.
1 hour ago july 27, 2015 12:45pm.
counsel assisting the royal commission, angus stewart sc has told the royal commission that church elders could now face criminal charges.
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umbertoecho
This figure is just for Australia alone. That is an amazing figure considering there are about sixty four thousand witnesses in this country. Not a good look. I will keep you posted as this is important stuff.
Over hear the flash news keep crossing the TV with regard to the commission. I think a lot of JWs in the top spots must feel very uncomfortable right now
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Royal Commission convened for now, but Jackson is an asshole
by umbertoecho ini have just finished listening to this man jackson.
i remember him well.
he is twisting things around as much as he is allowed.
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umbertoecho
I have just finished listening to this man Jackson. I remember him well. He is twisting things around as much as he is allowed. Those questioning him are very skilled however, and they are posing questions to him straight from the Shepherding The Flock book. In one of those questions, it is pointed out to Jackson that the " accused is to be made as comfortable as possible". He was stumped by that question coming out of their own book.
The questioners then put to him that there was" no mention made at all, of putting the accuser or victim at ease". When asked how he recalled this, he was evasive. The "book" was referred to again. Jackson tried to skirt the question until he finally conceded that yes, it's true, there is no mention made of how the victim/accuser, must feel and be made to feel. He sounds so smug, so utterly without feeling and full of confidence. I feel angry at this entire twisted response of the WT
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Pedophiles repeatedly promoted to positions of authority in Jehovah’s Witness church royal commission told
by stuckinamovement inwow.
things are heating up in australia.
what a headline.. http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/paedophiles-repeatedly-promoted-to-positions-of-authority-in-jehovahs-witness-church-royal-commission-told/story-fnii5s3x-1227458483269.
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umbertoecho
There is a distance that the Royal Commission is able to attain in searching out the facts. It is a useful distance that enables them to see clearly what is legal and illegal. However, I fear I really fear, that some quick witted JW lawyer will twist this all around. I do hope sincerely that this is spotted and stopped. I have seen the Royal Commission do some very good work in the past,. Not allowing for slithering out of a question, insisting upon facts, forcing the person questioned to simply answer in the affirmative or negative. I do like that about the psyche of the Australian mentality. -
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Media headline:Jehovah's Witnesses did not report 1006 alleged sex abusers to police, royal commission told
by fulltimestudent incheck it for yourself: .
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/jehovahs-witnesses-did-not-report-1006-alleged-sex-abusers-to-police-royal-commission-told-20150727-gil1u7.
not a good look!.
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fulltimestudent.
That was very hard to listen to. She was all broken up and hurt. I felt deep empahty for her and her almost niave love of this religion. She felt and feels guilty even now as she reports what has happened to her. I feel very deeply attached to such people as this woman who loves God and has been betrayed by men. I don't know what to think of this, I suppose I feel sick to the stomach. I hope something solid comes out of this investigation. I hope that Tool makes a complete ass of himself. He is so cocky, so arrogant and so self righteous.
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Update on Royal Commission
by umbertoecho inpaedophiles repeatedly promoted to positions of authority in jehovahs witness church royal commission told.
1 hour ago july 27, 2015 12:45pm.
counsel assisting the royal commission, angus stewart sc has told the royal commission that church elders could now face criminal charges.
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Sorry about all the other crap I posted here. I was just too keen to make sure you had some of the latest information on the Royal Commission here. -
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Update on Royal Commission
by umbertoecho inpaedophiles repeatedly promoted to positions of authority in jehovahs witness church royal commission told.
1 hour ago july 27, 2015 12:45pm.
counsel assisting the royal commission, angus stewart sc has told the royal commission that church elders could now face criminal charges.
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Paedophiles repeatedly promoted to positions of authority in Jehovah’s Witness church royal commission told
- 1 HOUR AGO JULY 27, 2015 12:45PM
Counsel Assisting the Royal Commission, Angus Stewart SC has told the royal commission that church elders could now face criminal charges. Picture: Jeremy Piper/ Supplied Source: Supplied
THE Jehovah’s Witness church repeatedly promoted paedophiles to positions of authority and never reported any case of child abuse to the police, the child sex abuse royal commission has been told today.
Church elders could now face criminal charges for concealment of serious indictable offences and failure to disclose sexual offences against minors, counsel assisting the commission Angus Stewart SC said.
The church holds no insurance for child sex abuse and its corporation, Watchtower Australia, in 2008 considered forming a separate legal entity to minimise liability, Mr Stewart said.
One church Elder, who had sexually abused all four of his daughters, was “disfellowshipped” not for his crimes but for “unrelated loose conduct and lying”, the commission sitting in Sydney was told.
Justice Peter McClellan at the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse public hearing into allegations of child sexual abuse by Jehovah's Witness. Picture: Jeremy Piper/ Supplied Source: Supplied
One of his daughters will give evidence that she had to be interviewed by three church Elders together with her father and that instead of being supported, the Elders made her feel to blame.
Her father blamed her for seducing him.
In 2004, the father was convicted and jailed for unlawful and indecent assault and attempted rape.
Mr Stewart said the church’s own files reveal 1006 allegations of child sex abuse made against church members since 1950 but the Jehovah’s Witnesses dealt with them using “Biblical standards” and not the police.
They only believed victims if the alleged abuser confessed or there were two “credible” witnesses despite there rarely being witnesses to sex assaults beyond the victim and the perpetrator, Mr Stewart said.
“(There will be) evidence that the Jehovah’s Witness Church believes that loving and protective parents are the best deterrent to child abuse,” Mr Steward said.
He said the church believed the end of the world is near.
“Documents will be tendered which show that Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the only way to finally end child abuse is to, as they put it, ‘embrace God’s Kingdom under Christ’ and to ‘love God with all your heart and your neighbour as yourself’ so as to be saved when the end comes,” Mr Stewart said.
Counsel Assisting Angus Stewart SC at the public hearing into allegations of child sexual abuse by Jehovah's Witness's.Source: Supplied
The church has 817 congregations across Australia with over 68,000 members, a growth of 29 per cent since 1990.
It deals with claims of sexual assault by having two Elders speak to the victim and the alleged offender but they can’t take any action unless it is proven to the Biblical standards.
If the Elders believe there is proof, they can form a judicial committee to determine “firstly if the individual is guilty of violating God’s laws and secondly, whether the individual is genuinely repentant,” Mr Stewart said.
Over the past 65 years, the requirement that there be two or more witnesses to child sex abuse has prevented at least 125 allegations of sex assault from proceeding to a judicial committee.
Since 1950, 401 alleged child sex abusers have been disfellowshipped, 78 of them on more than one occasion.
Another 190 were “reproved”, 11 of them more than once. This is a lesser form of discipline and allows the abuser to stay in the church.
In the same time, 28 alleged abusers were appointed to positions of authority and of 127 alleged abusers deleted as church leaders, 16 were reappointed.
The hearing is set down for two weeks.
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