Posts by umbertoecho

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JWs trying hard to hide in obscurity right now

by Zoos in

on other discussion boards where active jws participate i notice them deflecting questions about the royal commission in australia by bringing up child abuse statistics of other churches, ostensibly to demonstrate that there is nothing news worthy to see here... "move along!".

they are trying to make this story disappear into obscurity, irrelevance, as if it's just part and parcel of big institutional life, particularly of the religious nature.

oh, now they compare themselves to every other religion on the block?.

umbertoecho

steve2.....I would like to say that in this country, they will not be allowed to shy away. The RC will not allow for such a slippery move. Legislation will be drawn up and money will be taken out of the coffers of the WT. This much I do know about Australian Government. They are not fond of religious abuse's, they do not allow exemptions and when they can get their teeth into "fact" they will not succumb to the time worn phrases that spew out of WT mouths. For, as you know. Witnesses have like to say in the past that the legal platform allowed for a "good witness". Well. What a tragicomic statement that is today.

Trust me on this for I am in the midst of it. The frustration and disgust is very evident. The JW community are in a state of decay and shut down. I have been attacked verbally already. I have made a clear note of that........This will not go away....

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A conversation with some one relating to the investigation in australia

by joe134cd in

just thought i would relate a conversation i was having with a some what of a wishey washey jw.

first of all i was sitting having breakfast this morning listening to the trial highlights provided by barbra anderson.

i could just feel my blood boiling ( this was also combined that i was also feeling rather lousy from a cold).

umbertoecho

It is also a great fear of being exposed for the things they have hidden. I know this first hand. I have been subjected to "visits" for the past two weeks.

If I ever thought I was in the wrong as a child, if I ever thought I was evil.......I no longer believe it. I was subjected to a terrible scene yesterday by my sister. I would have remained quiet. Now I cannot do it. I have to defend myself. Sorry. Very sorry. I feel overwhelmed by her hatred of me and her accusation that I would be putting the name of Jehovah in a bad light. This is what she said.

Oh, how I hate what I have just typed. But, you know. Go out with a bang and all that......

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Highlight this fact: Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse

by Lemonp in

i have discussed this with a few jw relatives.

all have tried to pass this off as a case to review a few bad cases.. highlight to them the name of the inquiry:.

royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse.

umbertoecho

I have been threatened by my devout family in a round about sort of way. I have had a bad time due to what I can only say is.........fear of facts. I don't feel so good right now.

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Speculation ( not theory ) on child abuse inquiries.

by DATA-DOG in

most of you, like me, keep yourself informed as to what's happening in jw-land.

like me, you make it your business to know what's going on.

so i'm wondering why the wtbts is allowing eldubs to appear in these inquiries in australia??

umbertoecho

They have to go. There is no refusing it where a Royal Commission is concerned. If they did not attend, they would be in all sorts of horrendous trouble and it would paint them even more starkly guilty.

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All three parts of the July 27th Royal Commission Hearing are on Watchtower Documents Website

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.youtube.com/channel/ucavrp6e1aymhbf7yueukkxw.

all three segments of day one are on my website and youtube channel.. .

barbara .

umbertoecho

Thank you. Great to have someone who can load this information up. Of course, this is only the start, so you may find yourself being hounded to do it again.....

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Royal Commission convened for now, but Jackson is an asshole

by umbertoecho in

i have just finished listening to this man jackson.

i remember him well.

he is twisting things around as much as he is allowed.

umbertoecho

Orphan Crow. Ha ha ha ha ha ha..............so sorry. I have been calling you a cow all along. I am so sorry. I didn't see the r. I should wear my glasses when doing close up reading and writing.

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Royal Commission convened for now, but Jackson is an asshole

by umbertoecho in

i have just finished listening to this man jackson.

i remember him well.

he is twisting things around as much as he is allowed.

umbertoecho

Lorenz Riebling

Yes, could you please tell me who this man is. I don't have a clue at the moment.

Possum. Are you going to the Royal Commission?

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Update on Royal Commission

by umbertoecho in

paedophiles repeatedly promoted to positions of authority in jehovahs witness church royal commission told.

1 hour ago july 27, 2015 12:45pm.

counsel assisting the royal commission, angus stewart sc has told the royal commission that church elders could now face criminal charges.

umbertoecho

Sinclair is an excellent speaker and questioner. He is living proof of fair and honest authority in "that wicked world" that WTBTS loves to hammer home to all of it's believers.

The way this Royal Commission will play out will be with the welfare of victims in mind. If WT thinks it can deceive those conducting the inquiry, then it is in for a nasty shock.

It seems like all the pieces are falling into place at the moment, for, the society has requested more donated funds and is stream lining assemblies, cutting out the large ones that are held here in Australia. The reason given to me over the weekend, by an elder; was that there is a lack of funds and they need to cut costs.

This elder came to see me two months ago with his wife. I did say in one of my earlier posts that this elder launched straight into his experience as a victim of abuse. I thought it was odd at the time as I had said that my interest lay in the capacity of the witnesses to prove their beliefs using only the bible.

This elder is aware of what happened to me via my family. I wonder. Is this sudden ongoing interest in my spirituality a means to keep informed as to what I will do, or say about this commission? There will be many worried elders and those above them. They will want to know who is with them or against them. I have never had such an effort made by any elder before this recent time ( Royal Commission) Normally, I have been ignored as one who is basically lost and of no value.

The society is up against some very well educated people who have tremendous mental faculties that are put to use in uncovering all the facts.

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Royal Commission convened for now, but Jackson is an asshole

by umbertoecho in

i have just finished listening to this man jackson.

i remember him well.

he is twisting things around as much as he is allowed.

umbertoecho

Orphan Cow. Oh yes! I did hear that. It was a brilliant slip and showed his inner thoughts about those "abused". Jackson was CO in my congregation as well. I remember him very well, a neat little man, all starchy collars and cuffs. Like a little rooster as he strutted onto the platform and off.

The all of a sudden........he was gone. The reason given was that they don't like a CO to stay around for too long in a region as it doesn't keep a fresh perspective. That may be true, but it makes me wonder as well.

I may be in Sydney this week, for reasons related to this hearing

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July 26th Watchtower. Twisted learning

by Lemonp in

the wt study this week made me feel sick!

it is one of the most blatantly un-scriptural articles i have ever seen!

in these paragraphs we see how we should treat our neighbor ... so, what examples do we have of loving our neighbors?

umbertoecho

Millie210

Good simple kindergarten learning........however, you simply must remember that Satan runs the Kindergartens and sometimes....he transforms into an angel of light. Yes, Satan is just so good at appearing good for the benefits he will gain later....

Don't you know that? That is how a witness would view the advice from the WT as opposed to believing for one second that out there in the big world, there are lovely people.