Posts by ellderwho

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Pivitol Date Stuff

by IP_SEC in

i dont "get" the whole 1914 thing.

the 'prophetic rule'?

day fer a year?

Ive taken the back door approach to scholars (wt) position, along with his inability to connect years rule to fit WT bogus renderings. Ive shown the following to an senior elder who thought he was well versed in the subject his final thoughts were " well there musta been another Babylonian king thats not mentioned."

Insight vol. 1 "Babylon"

Finally, after a 43-year reign, which included both conquest of many nations and a grand building program in Babylonia itself, Nebuchadnezzar II died in October of 582 B.C.E. and was succeeded by Awil-Marduk (Evil-merodach). This new ruler showed kindness to captive King Jehoiachin. (2Ki 25:27-30) Little is known about the reigns of Neriglissar, evidently the successor of Evil-merodach, and of Labashi-Marduk.
More complete historical information is available for Nabonidus and his son Belshazzar, who were evidently ruling as coregents at the time of Babylon?s fall.

The Jw no matter who, has to face the irrefutable fact he cannot make his kings list span the years given for Babylonian rule (WT years) 625 BC to 537 BC

Ive yet to see a JW accomplish this.

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To All Bodies Of Elders!-----(About Researchers)

by Voyager in

this letter was posted over on (channel c) and (ex-jw california).

thanks stan for posting it!.

christian congregation of jehovah?s witnesses.

ellderwho

May Jehovah?s spirit be your guide in caring for this matter as well as in all that you do in his sacred service.
Your brothers,
Christian Congregation of Jehovah?s Witnesses

How could Jehovahs electric current (active force) help one decide whats best?????????

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607, 607, 607

by Pole in

hi scholar!

is that your phone number?

pole - ba and ma in linguistics

ellderwho

Just start with Nabonidus, the last Babylonian king, and work backward.

Robhic, I agree, she did a great job. Ive asked Neil in many threads to make the "neo-kings list work, as always never an answer.

Forget who wrote what about this or that, the simple way to refute 607 is ask the un-answerable question; make the kings list work.

At this point it appears strange that a person that calls himself a scholar and a Jw can honestly rest in what the non-scholarly WT dishes out.

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if you were raised a jdub, what was the first thing that was asked...

by in a new york bethel minute in

from your parents when you got home from service?

for me it was, "did you place today?

" pretty much sums up what service is about for most witnesses... i always prefered a good conversation, even at a young age... but the pat on the back always came from making placements... especially if it was a book!.

ellderwho

For me I totally avoided feild service alone. Bethel minute, love your avatar.

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Research on the validity of 1914

by Bluegrass Tom in

here are a few facts that i have recently discovered by doing some research.. the watchtower society uses the date of 539 b.c.e as the date that cyrus took over babylon.

they use the term "absolute date" to define this as an unquestionable point in time.

to do this they had to ignore 586 b.c.e which is the real date for the destruction of jerusalem.. therefore, if jerusalem never lay desolate for 70 years, when does this desolation and fulfillment of this prophecy take place?

ellderwho

City fan,

You've exploited the classic rebutal to the "angel of the LORD" in Zechariah.

It could not have continued till 518 because the seventy years were not fulfilled so the angelic reminder could only referred to something that had already concluded namely the seventy years.

Here "Scholar" gives a helpless excuse for the "angelic reminder" which comes right out of the book, "Paradise restored to mankind" by his theocracy, page 133 para. 23:

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Be it remembered, also, that those unforgettable seventy years were the first seventy years of the Gentile Times, "the appointed times of the nations." So, when those seventy years ended in 537 B.C.E., the Gentile Times still continued on for Jerusalem to be trampled on by the Gentile nations. (Luke 21:24) Apparently, then, the angel who cried out, "O Jehovah of armies, how long?" was referring back to that former period of seventy years as an illustration of Jehovah?s denunciation of his chosen people. He was asking whether Jehovah?s denunciation of them was being renewed because of their long neglect toward His temple. And so the angel was asking how long it would yet be before Jehovah would show mercy to Jerusalem and the other cities of Judah. The prophet Zechariah was also interested in knowing this. We, also!

This nonsense doesnt wash, because the angel of the LORD says specifcally " these seventy years" Further there is no implication of whether seventy years would be renewed.

The witness has to swallow this ridiculous senerio given by the "tower"

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Research on the validity of 1914

by Bluegrass Tom in

here are a few facts that i have recently discovered by doing some research.. the watchtower society uses the date of 539 b.c.e as the date that cyrus took over babylon.

they use the term "absolute date" to define this as an unquestionable point in time.

to do this they had to ignore 586 b.c.e which is the real date for the destruction of jerusalem.. therefore, if jerusalem never lay desolate for 70 years, when does this desolation and fulfillment of this prophecy take place?

ellderwho

Such an established date provides a sound basis for calculating the prophetic year of 1914.

Neil, so what does that prove. From Brooklyn publications they in 1914 did not recongnize what 1914 meant.

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Research on the validity of 1914

by Bluegrass Tom in

here are a few facts that i have recently discovered by doing some research.. the watchtower society uses the date of 539 b.c.e as the date that cyrus took over babylon.

they use the term "absolute date" to define this as an unquestionable point in time.

to do this they had to ignore 586 b.c.e which is the real date for the destruction of jerusalem.. therefore, if jerusalem never lay desolate for 70 years, when does this desolation and fulfillment of this prophecy take place?

ellderwho

Bluegrass Tom,

Welcome to the forum. 607 is very problematic for the Jw. Any Jw who is sincere about neo-Babylonian rule and who ruled when, will come to the conclusion that 607 is merely smoke and mirror for 1914... period.

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Alliance Bible Church,,,,What is it ?

by kls in

my 20 year old son has joined this church with a friend and i don't know anything about it.

i know i can look it up on the web but i am wondering if anyone here knows of the church personally.

i am very leery of any organized religion i am sure because of the jws crap and am worried what my son is getting into.

ellderwho

Ive been going to an Alliance Church for about four years, very lively worship music, about 20 minutes in all then anouncments about 10 min. then a sermon. Ive engaged the head pastor on issues I dont agree with and thats fine with him.

Ive never once seen or heard anything that would be cultic. I feel its a good place to worship.

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Have a Good Friday

by Brownboy in

a good lesson for all:.

learn to put away all badness of this old world, and make the necessary changes to prepare for the kingdom of god.

pay back caesar's things to caesar, but god's things to god, especially god, because he owns all things, and will ask for an accounting from everyone.

ellderwho

Give free what you received free, as it is written.

Like what?

brownboy: (of the hit and run class)

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What have you done to counteract the 'cult of Jehovah's witnesses?'

by AK - Jeff in

i know that many here would place jehovah's witnesses on a list of 'cults'.

personally i don't think they meet all the standard definition - but would class them as an 'authoritarian sectarian movement'.

at any rate, most of us would not want our neighbors to get caught up in the mind-twisting that we endured and from which we finally removed ourselves.. that said - have any engaged in successfull enterprises to counter the movement?

ellderwho

by your definition the writer of "james" was member of a cult too.

I disagree. Your making this statement based on your rendering of James' illustration of works/faith??

This might be another thread in and of itself.

edited to add:

but the list you offered is surprisingly similar to WTO argumentation: they are wrong, so we must be right.

You lost me here. Explain?