JWs on the Job Market - let them stay unemployed!

by Kent 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • Kent
    Kent

    There has been some protests to my former postings on this subject, and the protests goes on "freedom of religion". The fact that someone do get a job because his emplyer expects his employee to actually do the job, doesn't seem to worry much.

    How come the JWs are unreliable? Why can't anyone trust them? Why can't they tell employers about their weird views?

    Here is a story of a JW who obviously feel he can use guns, but he makes a lot of fuzz about other things. Just another example it's utter stupid to hire a JW!

    Would-be trooper sues State Patrol for religious bias

    by The Associated Press

    OLYMPIA - A would-be state trooper is suing the Washington State Patrol, contending he was forced out of the Patrol academy because he could not bow to "idolatry."

    Assistant Attorney General Carol Smith-Merkulov said yesterday the assertion of religious discrimination brought by Jehovah's Witness Gregory Lawson, 26, of Shelton doesn't jibe with the facts of the case.

    The lawsuit, filed Aug. 10 in the U.S. District Court for Western Washington, has yet to be set for trial. In it, Lawson is seeking reinstatement with back pay and unspecified financial damages.

    Lawson is declining comment, said a woman who answered the telephone at his home.

    In his lawsuit, Lawson contends that as a Jehovah's Witness, he cannot comply with two requirements at the academy: that he salute the U.S. flag twice a day and take a commissioning oath pledging allegiance to the nation and state.

    "I cannot salute a national emblem, as this constitutes idolatry according to my religious beliefs, (and) it would violate my conscience to take the commissioning oath which states that one will `bear true faith and allegiance to the United States of America and the state of Washington.'

    "It is against my religious beliefs to pledge my allegiance to any entity besides God," Lawson said in papers filed earlier with the state Human Rights Commission.

    Lawson said he withdrew from the academy July 15, 1998, after deciding he could not remain due to his religious beliefs.

    He said he asked if there was an alternative way he could be accommodated, but no accommodation was offered.

    In a written response to the commission, Patrol Chief Annette Sandberg told a different story.

    First, she said, when Lawson applied to the academy, he said yes to the question: "Are you willing to take an oath to support" the state and federal constitutions?

    "It was only after he gained employment (as an academy cadet) that Mr. Lawson told anyone connected with the WSP of his inability to take an oath because of his religious beliefs," Sandberg said. "It is important to note that Mr. Lawson gained his employment based on his application and background questionnaire."

    Moreover, she asserted, "At no time during his employment did Mr. Lawson request an accommodation based on his religious beliefs from anyone at the WSP."

    That was a crucial mistake, Smith-Merkulov said.

    "There have been a number of situations where the Patrol has made accommodations because of particular religions," she said.

    "The State Patrol did a fairly good job documenting all this, and I feel the state will prevail in this case," she added.

    But Lawson's attorneys, Hugh McGavick and Shawn Newman of Olympia, say there is plenty of evidence their client's First Amendment right to religious freedom was violated.

    McGavick said the Patrol was required to find ways to accommodate Lawson so he could have remained, adding that accommodations are not uncommon, in courts of law and elsewhere. For example, he said, atheists have been accommodated by swearing to uphold all state and federal laws without invoking the phrase "so help me God," he said.

    As for the requirement that troopers salute the flag, Newman said, "I believe it's not an essential element of the job to salute the flag. Can you mandate any public employee to salute the flag? You should not be able to mandate it."

    The Human Rights Commission did not take action, so Lawson filed the lawsuit.

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    [blue]Why would a JW want to be a state-trooper, and then making problems because of things like this? Honestly, is this so unexpected? What would this guy do if he had to shoot or kill someone? blue]

    Yakki Da

    Kent

    "The only difference between a fool and the JW legal department is that a fool might be sympathetic ."

    Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
    http://watchtower.observer.org

  • nytelecom1
    nytelecom1

    whatever happened to pretending you were adjusting the
    buttons on your shirt duing the pledge....like I
    used to do when I was in school.

    america....luv it or leave it

    can i get a hell yeah!!!

  • Kent
    Kent
    "It is against my religious beliefs to pledge my allegiance to any entity besides God,"

    A guy like this, on the street, who has pledged allegiance to The Watchtower - that's really something!

    Yakki Da

    Kent

    "The only difference between a fool and the JW legal department is that a fool might be sympathetic ."

    Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
    http://watchtower.observer.org

  • dedalus
    dedalus
    It is against my religious beliefs to pledge my allegiance to any entity besides God,

    It is also against his religious beliefs to carry a gun. So why did he become a state trooper?

    I'm a vegetarian -- if I decide to work at a butcher's shop, can I sue someone?

    Dedalus

  • trevor
    trevor

    We aren't told much about this guy or which planet he came from..

    If he is white, male and hetrosexual he should already know that he has NO RIGHTS.

  • Kent
    Kent
    If he is white, male and hetrosexual he should already know that he has NO RIGHTS

    It's a shame. Troopers should be allowed to pledge allegiance to whoever or whatever he wants. The US Government are some real good assholes that don't accept that.

    How about pledging allegiance to The Republic Of China if you believe in them - or to the Mafia? It's a matter of personal freedom, isn't it?

    Yakki Da

    Kent

    "The only difference between a fool and the JW legal department is that a fool might be sympathetic ."

    Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
    http://watchtower.observer.org

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    Yet another example of Kent's tabloid journalism.

    One JW causes trouble for his employer, therefore ALL JWs don't deserve to have meaningful employment!

    Get a life, Kent! See a therapist about your issues with anger and bitterness. You need to realise that people are just that - people!

    Work out who you are really angry at, and deal with that!

    5m JWs are generally victims of victims, just as you were Kent! YOU were a JW once! Were you a terrible person back then? Any more than now?

    Look in the mirror Kent, before you attack other people!

  • Stephanus
    Stephanus

    So far Kent's come up with not just one but three instances of JW arseholes making life difficult for employers, in fairly rapid succession. I must say the one Dub who's done a job for me was exemplary. But I've got plenty of testimony from friends who've had Dub contractors do less than perfect jobs for them to realise that Dubs don't make good employees, even on a short-term contract basis. (I'd still engage the first Dub I mentioned for what he's good at - he is a notable exception in a sea of mediocrity).

    w75 9/1 519 Insight on the News One young promiscuous woman who received a kidney from her older, conservative, well-behaved sister, at first seemed very upset. Then she began imitating her sister in much of her conduct.

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    The problem with Kent is that he fails to see the trees for the forest.

    If he realised that the majority of JWs were ordinary folk caught up in a mass of deception (unbeknown to them), and if he realised that generalisations do not a reliable journalist make, he would learn to concentrate his anger and bitterness on the real powers that be, instead of attacking the average JW.

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