SCC ruling 1993 - Child's best intrests more imp. then freedom of worship

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  • kwintestal
    kwintestal

    I found these two rulings yesterday. I may be mistaken, but it appears to be quite interesting rulings. I believe the two cases are connected, as the pages go from Young v. Young ending at page 140, then P. (D.) v. S. (C.) starts at page 141.

    Young v. Young

    P. (D.) v. S. (C.)

    Overview:

    Upon separation, it was common ground between the parties that the appellant should have custody of the children and they have remained at all times since in the care of their mother. On July 12, 1988, the appellant brought an application for divorce and sought spousal and child support, interim and permanent custody of the children and an order enjoining the respondent from inculcating the children in the Jehovah's Witness faith or involving them in church activities. The respondent brought a cross-application for interim joint custody with care and control to the appellant and a declaration that the restrictions sought by his wife violated his and the children's rights under the Charter.

    In the interim order of August 16, 1988, Scarth L.J.S.C. dismissed the respondent's motion for a declaration and order pursuant to s. 24 of the Charter. He granted custody to the appellant, awarded her $3,500 a month in spousal and child support and specified the following restrictions on the respondent's access:

    a)the Respondent will not take the said children of the marriage to the Respondent's church without the Petitioner's consent and if the Petitioner withholds consent, the Respondent may make application to this court;

    b) the Respondent will not suggest that the three children of the marriage will have to separate from the Petitioner if she does not convert to the Jehovah's Witnesses [sic] faith, or that the Petitioner will be punished by God for failing to adhere to that faith;

    c) the Respondent will not deprecate the Petitioner's religion in the presence of the three infant children of the marriage;

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    d) the Respondent is enjoined from preventing the said infants from having blood transfusions in the event blood transfusions are required and the Petitioner shall be solely responsible for all health care decisions and choices relative to the said infant children of the marriage.

    Once they went to trial, the trial judge ordered this:

    She granted the appellant custody and guardianship of the children with sole responsibility for their religious upbringing, health care and education and granted the respondent access subject to the following conditions:

    a) that the Respondent shall not discuss the Jehovah's Witness religion with the children and shall not take any of the children to any religious services, canvassing or meetings, without the written consent of the Petitioner and shall not expose the children to religious discussions with a third party or parties without the written consent of the Petitioner;

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    b) that the Respondent is enjoined from preventing any of the three infant children of the marriage from having blood transfusions in the event blood transfusions are required;

    c)and that the Respondent shall not make any adverse remarks with respect to the religious beliefs of the Petitioner.

    I don't have much more time to go over this right now, perhaps someone else could carry on with the review. If not, I'll get to it later today.

    Kwin

  • kwintestal
    kwintestal
    F.Conclusion

    In summary, the test applicable to the right to access in respect of a minor child by a non-custodial parent is that of the child's best interests, in accordance with art. 30 C.C.L.C. The child should be the focus of the court's concerns as it is the child's rights which are at issue, not those of the parents. The criterion of the child's best interests does not simply mean that the child must not suffer harm. Rather it means that the child is entitled to the best possible conditions in order to protect its best interests, taking into account the circumstances of the child and those of its parents and a range of factors such as age, sex, religion, needs, resources, and so on, as provided by art. 30 C.C.L.C., which governs this dispute between unmarried parties who are parents of a young

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    child. Any agreement in this regard may be varied by the court if the child's interest so requires.

    The criterion of the child's best interests set out in the Civil Code confers a broad discretion on the courts. This does not mean, however, that it is contrary to the Constitution or that it is vague within the meaning of ss. 1 and 7 of the Charter.

    The case at bar is not a war of religion. It is simply a question of determining where the best interests of the child C. lie in respect of the rights of access of a non-custodial parent. The Charter does not apply to the order made by the trial judge, apart from exceptional circumstances not present here, as the judiciary is not covered by s. 32 of the Charter. In any case, even if the Charter applied, none of its provisions would be infringed here, in particular the freedom of religion and of expression relied on by the appellant, and s. 1 has no application.

    As the trial judge made no error of principle and no error in his determination of the facts on the evidence, I agree with the majority of the Court of Appeal that there was no basis for intervention.

    I would accordingly dismiss the appeal with costs throughout.

    The constitutional questions should be answered as proposed by my colleague Madame Justice McLachlin.

    The following are the reasons delivered by

    S OPINKA J. (dissenting) -- Subject to my comments in Young v. Young, [1993] 4 S.C.R. 3 (released concurrently herewith), I agree with McLachlin J.

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    The following are the reasons delivered by

    C ORY AND I ACOBUCCI JJ. -- We have read with great interest the reasons of our colleagues L'Heureux-Dubé, Sopinka and McLachlin JJ. We agree that the fundamental issue to be determined in cases involving custody or access is what the disposition of the case would be in the best interests of the child.

    Neither differences of opinions of parents regarding religious questions nor the frank discussion of their differing religious perceptions by both parents with the children will be automatically harmful. Indeed it may often be beneficial. We would repeat a portion of our reasons in Young v. Young, [1993] 4 S.C.R. 3, at pp. 110-11, which were to this effect:

    We find it difficult to accept that any genuine and otherwise proper discussion between a parent and his or her child should be curtailed by court orders. Indeed, curtailment of explanatory or discursive conversations or exchanges between a parent and child should be rarely ordered in our view. To take an example, suppose custodial Parent A is a member of a fundamentalist religion and access Parent B is a scientist who espouses the pure Darwinian theory of evolution. We find it unacceptable that Parent B should be ordered, under the rubric of the best interests of the child test, not to discuss or explain his views to his child as opposed to being forbidden from indoctrinating or otherwise undermining the religious choice made by the custodial parent for the child or children involved. Surely the best interests of the child test embraces genuine discussion of religious belief as opposed to indoctrination, enlistment or harassment, having the aim or effect of undermining the religious decision made by the custodial parent.

    The decision of the trial judge in this case is quite frankly troublesome. There was very little evidence that access by the father was not beneficial to the child. However there was some evidence that the child's behaviour after visits with the father was such that it might be interpreted they had been disturbing for her. As a result it might be said to be in her best interests to place some limitations on the father's access. The trial judge did interpret the evidence as demonstrating

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    that the child was disturbed by the father's repeated references to his religious beliefs and imposed limitations on the father's access.

    On issues of credibility, a trial judge is uniquely well placed to make the necessary findings. An appellate court should, apart from exceptional situations, refrain from interfering with those findings.

    Similarly the trial judge is in the best position to assess evidence pertaining to the best interests of the child. It is the trial judge who not only hears the evidence but also has the great advantage of watching the demeanour of all who testify. It is the trial judge who can take into account the significant pauses in the responses, the changes in facial expression, the looks of anger, confusion and concern. In the vast majority of cases as a result of hearing and seeing all the witnesses, it is the trial judge who is in the most advantageous position to determine the best interests of the child. Here the trial judge was aware of and applied the test of the best interests of the child and to that end imposed the two conditions upon visitation. Although we would not have imposed them, they are not so unreasonable as to require amendment. It follows that despite our misgivings, his decision should be upheld. We therefore agree with the disposition of the appeal proposed by L'Heureux-Dubé J.

    The following are the reasons delivered by

    M C L ACHLIN J. (dissenting) -- This case, heard concurrently with Young v. Young, [1993] 4 S.C.R. 3, challenges the constitutionality of arts. 653 and 654 of the Civil Code of Quebec ("C.C.Q."), and of art. 30 of the Civil Code of Lower Canada ("C.C.L.C."). It also raises the question of whether, if the articles are constitutional, the courts below erred in interpreting them so as to permit restrictions on the access of the appellant, more particularly, orders that he not "continually indoctrinate"

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    his child with the beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness faith, that he not take her to the meetings or ceremonies of his faith, and that he not take her on any door-to-door canvassing activities.

    The impugned articles of the Civil Codes read:

    Article 30 C.C.L.C.:

    30. In every decision concerning a child, the child's interest and the respect of his rights must be the determining factors.

    Consideration may be given in particular to the child's age, sex, religion, language, character and family surroundings, and the other circumstances in which he lives.
    Articles 653 and 654 C.C.Q.:

    653. In the case of difficulties relating to the exercise of parental authority, the person having parental authority may refer the matter to the court, which will decide in the interest of the child after fostering the conciliation of the parties.

    654. The court may, for serious cause and in the interest of the child, on the motion of any interested person, declare the father, the mother or either of them, or a third person on whom parental authority may have been conferred, to be totally or partially deprived of such authority.

    I note immediately, because the argument was raised by the appellant, that this appeal does not raise an issue of the deprivation of parental authority, and there is no need for the Court to consider the civil law notions of "autorité parentale" and "garde" for the purpose of disposing of this appeal. Article 648 C.C.Q. provides that parents of a child have parental authority, irrespective of their marital status; the courts by virtue of art. 654 are the arbitrators of disputes between the holders of parental authority, when such disputes arise. The courts below did precisely as this latter article contemplates, and arbitrated such a dispute; no deprivation of parental authority was involved.

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    The dispute takes the following character. The mother of the child objected to the fact that the father, on access visits, taught the child the teachings of his faith. The child was very young. She was influenced by the teachings of her father. There was evidence that when the child would return home from visiting her father, she made repeated references to "Jehovah", i.e. [ TRANSLATION ] "Jehovah made [C.], the moon, made the stars, made everything". The child told the mother that her father said that it was wrong to dress up on Halloween and wrong to celebrate Christmas, there being no Santa Claus. Finally, the evidence indicates that the father took the child to a reunion of Jehovah's Witnesses in Montreal, without the mother's prior consent. This reunion was attended by many parents with children. For this act, and others which the mother thought objectionable, the mother denied the father the opportunity to see the child outside of her home.

    The trial judge's finding that the appellant [ TRANSLATION ] "took the child for a few hours while he was going door-to-door spreading his religion" ([1988] R.D.F. 40, at p. 41) is nowhere supported in the transcripts of evidence. More importantly, there was no evidence that the child suffered, or was likely to suffer, any psychological or physical harm as a result of any of the foregoing conduct or teaching.

    The trial judge made the orders to which I have alluded above. He applied the "best interests of the child" standard, and interpreted this standard as, in this context, requiring some demonstration that the father's activities were harmful (nuisibles) to the child. He was prepared to assume that where the religious views of separated parents conflict, and where the child in question is not of an age where she can choose for herself between religions, the existence of harm incompatible with the best interests of the child is incontestable.

    The Court of Appeal affirmed the orders: [1991] R.J.Q. 306. The majority found that there were no

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    grounds for overturning the findings of fact below, which, while partially erroneous, supported the orders. The majority also appears to have accepted a lower evidentiary standard in determining the best interests of the child, stating (at p. 308):

    [ TRANSLATION ] At that particularly vulnerable age, where, as everyone knows, psychological and emotional traumas often prove to be irreversible, there is no need to wait for such traumas to occur before intervening. The risk is unacceptable and the proposition that she should run the risk before being protected is inadmissible.

    Proulx J.A. dissented, in part, on the ground that he did not agree that the evidence supported the inference of harm from attendance at religious meetings or ceremonies. He added that there was no evidence that the appellant's door-to-door canvassing could harm the child, and indeed, no evidence that the child had accompanied the appellant on such activities. Proulx J.A. accordingly found that the trial judge's second order should be struck in its entirety, although it should be noted that he so found because he presumed that the appellant would be bound by the first order.

    1.The Constitutionality of Arts. 653 and 654 C.C.Q. and Art. 30 C.C.L.C.

    Articles 653 and 654 C.C.Q. and art. 30 C.C.L.C. affirm the "best interests of the child" standard -- the same standard as in the Divorce Act, R.S.C., 1985, c. 3 (2nd Supp.), ss. 16(8), 16(10) and 17(5). These sections, and the standard in particular, are considered in Young, supra, released concurrently. The analysis of the constitutionality of the standard under the Divorce Act, applies equally to the articles of the Civil Codes impugned in this appeal, and need not be repeated here. The standard, and the articles that set it forth, are constitutional, and infringe no entrenched rights.

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    2.The Application of the Test

    The trial judge below concluded that in order to justify limits on the activities and speech of an access parent when with his child, there must be some indication that the impugned activities might harm the child. He correctly identified the risk of harm to the child as an important factor in determining the best interests of the child where the issue is whether a parent can share his religious beliefs with his child: see my reasons in Young.

    This issue aside, where all of the judges below erred, with great respect to each, is in inferring harm from the mere presence of conflict between the parents on religious questions, and concluding from this that restrictions were required in the best interests of the child. There was nothing in the evidence to suggest that the child would be adversely affected as a result of the father's activities or teaching. In short, there was nothing in the record to offset the benefit which might accrue to the child from learning to know her father fully, including his religious values. There was no evidence that the conflict between her parents' religious beliefs was creating any problems for the child. It is not uncommon for married couples to have different beliefs, nor for one or both to wish to impart their beliefs to their children. It is not suggested that children in such families suffer harm. Nor, it seems to me, should it be assumed of children whose parents are separated. Indeed, the provisions of the Civil Code of Quebec suggest that no such distinction can be made: see art. 648. The fact that the mother wanted, as she put it, her child to grow up with the same joy in Halloween and Christmas as she had grown up with (at p. 136 C.O.A.) is insufficient to support an order forbidding the father to impart his views on such holidays. Nor is the fact that the mother felt the father spoke too much about his religion with the child sufficient in itself to justify an order restricting

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    him from "continually" doing so (presuming that such an order could be enforced).

    In the absence of evidence capable of outweighing the benefit of full and free access, the court should not have interfered with the access parent's activities, in my view. I would allow the appeal and set aside the orders. I would answer the constitutional questions as follows:

    1.Do articles 653 and 654 of the Civil Code of Quebec, and art. 30 of the Civil Code of Lower Canada, which provide that judicial decisions regarding custody and access be made "in the interest of the child" deny the rights and freedoms guaranteed in s. 2(a), (b), and (d) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms?

    No.

    2.If the answer to question 1 is affirmative, are arts. 653 and 654 of the Civil Code of Quebec, and art. 30 of the Civil Code of Lower Canada, justified as reasonable limits by s. 1 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and therefore not inconsistent with the Constitution Act, 1982?

    Given my answer to question 1, there is no need to answer this question.

    3.Do articles 653 and 654 of the Civil Code of Quebec, and art. 30 of the Civil Code of Lower Canada violate the guarantees to equality set out in s. 15 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms?

    No.

    4.If the answer to question 3 is affirmative, are arts. 653 and 654 of the Civil Code of Quebec, and art. 30 of the Civil Code of Lower Canada, justified as reasonable limits by s. 1 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and therefore not inconsistent with the Constitution Act, 1982?

    Given my answer to question 3 there is no need to answer this question.

    The respondent requests costs on a solicitor-client basis, which she justifies by submitting that the appellant did not raise a meritorious argument that he receive custody, and that those allegedly financing him have used this appeal as a means of promoting and gaining publicity for the "cause" of

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    the Jehovah's Witness faith, adding unnecessary expense. I am not entirely unsympathetic to the respondent's concerns, to the extent that the appellant here made allegations which were not directly relevant to the outcome of this particular case. I do not find, however, that these actions on the part of the appellant were sufficiently egregious as to permit the award of solicitor-client costs. I refer to the discussion of the propriety of such an award in Young.

    In the circumstances of this case, I would order that each party bear his or her own costs of this appeal.

    I'm no lawyer, but my understanding of this ruling, is that if a custodial parent is concerned that a 'fanatical' non-custodial parent is 'indoctrinating' their child, the custodial parent has the right to legally order the non-custodial parent to not attempt to 'indoctrinate' the child, for the best interest of the child.

    Also of interesting note, this was found to be a matter of the child's right of protection of their best interest, instead of the parent's right to preach to their kids.

    Kwin

  • upside/down
    upside/down

    Interesting...

  • damselfly
    damselfly

    BTTT

    Nice to see the kids best interests were being protected.

    Dams

  • Happy Guy :)
    Happy Guy :)

    I have some knowledge of this case and ruling.

    It had a very lengthy and messy history.

    In essence it involved a divorced couple. The father (a JW) wished to expose his children to the Watchtower and JW beliefs and practices. The mother had objections to this.

    The matter was brought before the court in British Colombia, Canada. The Watchtower legal department in Georgetown, Ontario got involved and litigated the mother to death in order to win by brute force (in my opinion).

    Eventually a Judge ordered in favour of the mother and found that the Watchtower legal department had engaged in ridiculously eccessive litigation tactics and ordered legal costs against the JW lawyers personally: something which is never done.

    The JWs appealed the ruling to a higher court: The Provincial level appeal court.

    The case was ultimately appealed to Canada's highest court who dismissed the costs against the JW lawyers for the reason that it could not be proven with absolute certainty that the JW lawyers had litigated eccessively strictly out of malice - that being the test to award costs against the lawyers personally.

    On the subject of indoctrination, there some a mix of opinions. One Judge felt that it should rest solely in the domain of the custodial parent and others who felt it should be less restrictive.

    The JWs position was that there should be no restrictions.

    My understanding, and feel free to correct me if I am misunderstood, is that the Court ultimately decided that there should be a test of harm which is real and not speculative. However it is enough for the custodial parent to initially make this determination.

    This case was monumental to the JWs as they were submitting "Notice(s) of Constitutional Question" in almost every divorce case they were involved in with a view to increase litigation costs on non JWs (in my opinion) and ultimately push this issue before the Supreme Court of Canada.

    Their hope was to get an unrestricted freedom of indoctrination and exposure on minor children in divorced situations. They were not successful in that regard.

  • Scully
    Scully

    In October of 1995, W. Glen How, QC was a guest in the House of Commons and aired his "spin" on what happened in the Young v. Young case. This is an excerpt from the transcript which is available online:

    http://www.parl.gc.ca/committees/jula/evidence/174_95-10-17/jula174_blk101.html

      By granting such restrictions and substituting prejudice for evidence, judges are undermining the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution. Rather than promoting tolerance, they are encouraging intolerance. Instead of providing guidelines that will help settle custody disputes, they're only paving the way for needless disputation.
      This is an article I wrote discussing the Young and D.P. case.
      Increased litigation is not the answer. Broken families cannot afford it. Litigation, particularly at the Supreme Court level, is only useful to develop clear ground rules that will provide consistency and predictability. With proper ground rules, lawyers will have a basis for settling cases instead of burdening the people and the judicial system with unnecessary and repetitive litigation.

    It's laughable that the WTS took this case ALL THE WAY to the Supreme Court of Canada, yet he stands before the House of Commons and wants them to believe that he believes that "Increased litigation is not the answer."

    Not only that, but he claims that the non-JW parent was being "intolerant" and depriving the JW parent of his Constitutional Rights, yet we all know that if it were left to the discretion of the JW parent, that they would most definitely teach the children to be "intolerant" of any viewpoint other than the JW viewpoint. And he also slams Mme Justice Proudfoot for being "intolerant" herself with regard to the religious affiliation of the Respondent, and claims that was the reason why she imposed legal costs on the WTS in her decision.

    Look at the judges in my cases. In British Columbia, there was the Young case. Madam Justice Proudfoot said to put a stop to this man; he was teaching something. Really, it was something she disagreed with, so she prohibited him from speaking to his family about his religion.

    Then it went to the British Columbia Court of Appeal. They said it was a scandal and that she had no business to make any such order, so they reversed it. The Supreme Court maintained the British Columbia Court of Appeal.

    This is something that was the basis of the Young v. Young case. The mother came to court saying that she was intolerant and that she demanded her husband be stopped from talking about his religion to the children. Her intolerance was the basis of the case.

    I will refer you back to tab 2. I've quoted some of the judgments to show you the completely opposite views of judges.

    The trial judge was Justice Proudfoot. With the greatest of respect, she's a lady who sometimes seems to come to court with her mind already made up before the case starts. Worse than that, if counsels continue to disagree with her, she treats it as a personal affront.

    In that particular case, when the case was over and she ruled against me, she also said that I ought to be condemned to pay all the costs, which was a little matter of around $50,000. I would have felt bad except that she had done the same thing with three other lawyers and the Court of Appeal reversed all those cases anyway.

    This is what she ordered. This is not a legal order; this is a religious order:

      The respondent shall not discuss the Jehovah's Witness religion with the children and shall not take any of the children to any religious services, canvassing or meetings, without the written consent of the petitioner...
    Mind you, that's the petitioner who broadcast her own intolerance.

    So he can't talk to them of it and he can't take them to church with him.

    The judge said he:

      ...shall not expose the children to the religious discussions with a third party...

    In other words, the subject of the religion of the father can't even be mentioned.

    I'm on tab 2, page 111. At the bottom of the page was a decision of Judge Wood of the Court of Appeal. He discussed the guarantees in the charter. The charter guarantees free exercise of religion. If you can't talk to your own children, what freedom is there?

    After discussing the charter, he says:

      From this it follows that each parent is entitled to hold his or her own views on matters of religion. Each is entitled `without fear of hindrance or reprisal' to manifest their religious beliefs openly, `by worship and practice or by teaching and dissemination'. For each an important element of the right to teach and to disseminate their respective beliefs must surely be the right to share those beliefs with their children.
      It follows from all that has been said that the learned trial judge
      - the one who made this gag order -
      erred when she held that restrictions of the sort which were ultimately imposed on Mr. Young's right of access did not infringe his fundamental freedom of religion under s.2(a) of the Charter.
    When that case went to the Supreme Court of Canada, they maintained the judgment of the Court of Appeal, but it was on a 4:3 decision.

    Then he goes on to say how the JWs are the victims of abuse in the Canadian legal system. Boo-frikkin-hoo.

    The point I wanted to make was arising from these several cases wherein there had been religious restrictions against a parent because the judges disapproved of their religion. This is a violation of the charter, but in Quebec it's a standard pattern. The Quebec Court of Appeal - I've been there on five different cases - always restricts the rights of Jehovah's Witnesses in every case. They've narrowed it down, they've reversed each other, but they always restrict. It's quite unfair, but this kind of abuse is reserved for Jehovah's Witnesses and nobody else.

    I still chuckle when I read this part of the transcript. I can totally see him grandstanding with the Making Your Family Life Happy book so he can count his hour (which was only supposed to be 5 minutes) in front of the House of Commons of Canada.

    I have a volume here that suggests some of the things that could be done if we spent some more time keeping people together. This is called ``Making Your Family Life Happy''. It's the kind of a thing the government should be putting out.

  • kwintestal
    kwintestal

    Thanks for the comments, both Happy Guy and Scully!

    Kwin

  • Happy Guy :)
    Happy Guy :)

    Simply put, Scully, when the JW lawyers lose a case they claim victimization whether they are in fact right or wrong.

    I'll tell you who are the victims it's the children.

    The JW lawyers went on a rampage intstituting the Constitutional challenges in dozens of divorce cases whether it was warranted or not.

    Their main claim was the following:

    The Divorce Act is unconstituional because it is too vague.

    They objected to the power which resided with any Judge to award custody and visitation under the existing Divorce Act. Specifically they objected to the principle of a Court making a ruling in the "best interests" of the child(ren).

    How ridiculous is that? Which is why they lost at the Supreme Court level.

    The true victims are the poor non JW parents in dozens of cases who were litigated to death on this stupid whim of the JW legal department who has to find some reason to justify their existance (rather than going out in service perhaps?).

    These non JW parents incurred hundreds of thousands of dollars in litigation costs needlessly while JW lawyers run up the costs (in my opinion deliberately to be oppressive and abusive to the non JW parent). In the end it's the kids who suffer since their non JW parents (some being the custodial parent) are financially wiped out. Those types of large legal debts can take decades to recover from, if ever.

    As far as How, I see it as his personal axe to grind with Proudfoot since she ordered legal costs against him personally (which is never done unless a lawyer is malicious and abusive in litigating), which might explain How's personal attack/retaliation on Justice Proudfoot.

  • diamondblue1974
    diamondblue1974
    Re: SCC ruling 1993 - Child's best intrests more imp. then freedom of worship

    This happens to be the UK and European courts view also in that whilst Article 9 and 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights protects freedom of religion and outlaws discrimination on the grounds of religion, the courts are entitled to take into account the effects such religious practices will have on the child and make orders and judgements accordingly see Hoffman v Austria [1993] 17 EHRR 293 ECtHR

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