No Christmas

by tattoogrl333 15 Replies latest jw friends

  • JanH
    JanH

    Pubsinger,

    Christianity is not a Religion, it is a RELATIONSHIP.


    While there have been much debate about how to define the word "religion" among sociologists, anthropologists and historians of religion generally, in the history dept at least we have mostly landed on defining religion as social structures related to communication and interaction with supernatural agents (ie. gods).

    So, if you define Christianity as a "personal relationship with Christ", it hits spot-on for a definition of religion.

    Christianity is as close as you get, no matter what (sane) definition of religion you should choose. Attempts by Christians to argue they are not in a religion is no better now than it was when Rutherford did it.

    A good case could be made, on the other hand, that certain forms of Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism is not religion. Arguably, this means the definition of "religion" is not very usuable beyond the west.

    - Jan
    --
    Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    Tattoogirl,

    I will agree with the others. You're last sentence, whether consciously written or a Freudian slip, sums everything up. The JW's are much more interested in getting you as a member than getting you closer to God. Be careful!

    Billygoat

  • bboyneko
    bboyneko
    If you are wanting to feel a connection with God and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be assured that that is the way to go, then approach some other Christian Church and tell them what you are doing and what you are searching for.

    How the hell can you have a personal reltionship with air? With 'someone' that never shows himself, never speaks to you, never lifts a hand to help you or your loved ones. How? Can you really call such a person a friend? Or loving? How can Jesus be your best friend? Might as well worship a rock. At least a rock has a presense, and you can throw it at someone. In that manner, having a personal relationship with a rock would probably be more benefecial. (You don't beleive in the LORD, the hard and somewhat smooth to the touch Rock? Take THIS heathen! <sound of the LORD conking unbeleiver sqaurely on head.>)


    bow down to me

  • tergiversator
    tergiversator

    Hey Tattoogrl,

    Back to your original topic, I noticed that you said you never were much
    for holidays and cited some of the sillier bits of folk mythology. (Which
    I agree are, well, silly.) I think, however, that there can be more to the
    holidays than annoying inane little jingles that get stuck in your head if
    you dare venture in public between October and January.

    Some background: I can, just barely, remember my last Christmas at age 4
    (and perhaps a little bit of the one previous). After that, my mother
    became a witness. Her main holdup as for why she didn't become one a few
    years earlier, in fact, was the holidays. (Or, as she now calls them, the
    "stupid" holidays.) I think she had to make herself hate them, because
    from all accounts her extended family had very close, family-oriented
    holidays. Although she was raised nominally Catholic, religion wasn't the
    prime focus of Christmas and Easter.

    BUT: somehow, the witnesses convinced her that the coincidence of December
    25 and the festival of some ancient bunch of pagans utterly contaminated
    everything to do with modern celebrations. Pagan roots made it eeevil -
    no matter how tenuous these pagan origins actually are, how much they
    have been forgetten by 99.9% of people, how completely irrelevant they
    are to both purposes people associate Christmas with today (remembering
    Jesus on the one hand, and getting together with family on the other).
    (And there's also the matter of inconsistency: how is Christmas more or
    less evil then days of the week named after ancient gods, or wedding
    bands, etc.)

    I, a bright eager-to-please sort of 5 year old, agreed with the reasoning.
    Unlike many (most?) witness kids, I never really did miss Christmas. My
    mom was really poor right after she got baptized, and we probably wouldn't
    have gotten very many presents for Christmas anyways. Also, she and my
    worldly grandparents were good about getting us presents at other
    times of the year. In other words - I grew up as best a witness kid can
    hope to: not really missing the holidays, scoffing at their silly
    trappings, decrying the commercialism and greed of celebrators, and
    growing to prefer leaving school early rather than attend Christmas
    parties. (Heck, I even wrote an essay in sixth grade on "Why I don't
    celebrate Christmas", which somehow made its way into the Awake magazine.
    I'll post a copy if you'd care to see it.)

    That being said, I now realize that I missed out on a whole lot. I was
    able to adapt to always staying out of school activities (I had enough
    other reasons to be a bit of anti-social kid), but I know most of the kids
    in the congregation struggled mightily. And I always had to be soo careful
    not to "offend Jehovah". Were these snowmen I was cutting out for
    Christmas, or just winter? Did singing Jingle Bells mean that I was, in
    fact, siding with Satan? Should I eat candy canes, since they are, after
    all, mainly associated with Christmas? I remember thinking rather poorly
    of a girl in the congregation because she had Christmas lights (you
    know, the pretty little white ones) decorating her bedroom. (Honestly! I
    really struggled with these and other issues in elementary school.)

    That's mainly why I would urge you to be careful what you decide about
    Christmas (and the other holidays). I think adults need to be careful that
    their own personal beliefs and quirks don't cause their children to grow
    up too fast (like I think I did) and turn into critical, judgemental, and
    disillusioned teenagers and young adults, which is what I felt myself
    becoming. Because Christmas doesn't have to be just greed and silliness
    and smarmy religious billboards reminding us that "Jesus is the reason for
    the season". It is certainly not some demonic holiday originating with
    horrible God-hating pagan savages. It can simply be an excuse to have
    some fun and relax with your family, or to think about Jesus if you're so
    inclined, or simply to be able to eat some of the cookies that a
    celebrator brings into the office or classroom without having to go on a
    tirade condemning the celebrators for following a pagan ritual.

    And Christmas should not be a cause for your children (if and when
    you have any) to always feel as if they are left out, the outsiders
    looking in on everyone else engaged in innocent fun.

    Take it from someone who remembers.

    -T.

  • Yadirf
    Yadirf

    tattoogrl333,

    Thought you might like to read a letter that I myself sent to the WTBTS in Brooklyn, regarding the "Star of Bethlehem". Actually, that "star" is an irremovable part of the Christmas celebration. Therefore, if a person can see that the source of the "star" was of Satan rather than God (as is commonly believed), that fact alone argues against engaging in the Christmas celebration. Because why would anyone in their right mind wish to honor/glorify a "star" that was nothing more than a tool used by Satan in an attempt to overturn God's plan to salvage mankind out of death? ... doing so by trying to kill Jesus while only a boy, and therefore before Jesus could grow up and make his sacrifice willingly on his own? It is vital to understand the true source of the "star", because if one doesn't know then we likely will wind up being in awe of a "star" each December that was meant to destroy our chances for salvation ... as well as honoring something which Satan, who is our enemy, caused. THAT would be rather stupid to do, would you not agree? Not a trivial thing at all! Right?

    Here's the letter:

    December 29, 1999

    Writing Department
    25 Columbia Heights
    Brooklyn, NY 11201-2483

    Dear Writers/Brothers:

    A warm hello to all you there at Bethel -- a name which means “House of God,” and suggests that “Truly Jehovah is in this place.” -- Genesis 28:16-19.

    My purpose in writing you is twofold. One is that I wanted to make known how glad I am to be the possessor of a bit of knowledge that became mine as a result of the Society’s publications. (Ro 1:12) The other is, with a sense of responsibility, that the members of my personal family, by having a copy of the comments contained herein, may be fortified with the facts regarding this vital truth.

    At the time of the year just past, throughout the neighborhoods and commercial districts we see evidence of the benightedness that grips much of the world: Placed on the top of many Christmas trees, or displayed in some other manner, is the symbol of “the star” that Satan used in his attempt to thwart God’s purpose. (Mt 2:1-18) How happy we can be that we have had our thinking faculties stirred with the result being that we can discern that the real source of the mysterious star which captured the astrologers (“Magi,” NIV) attention was Satan, not God. Can anyone among us claim to have learned the truth on this subject from any other religious institution? Furthermore, how many of us ever would have learned it on our own had we never had contact with the organization that stressed its importance? The answer to both questions is: Likely, none at all!

    But just how vital is the knowing of the source behind this star which has become a Christmas symbol? In observing the world’s practices, how so very sad and appalling it is to witness the fact that honor and admiration is actually given to that which was nothing less than a detestable tool of Satan. The so-called “Star of Bethlehem,” a tool which, had it been successful in accomplishing its intended goal -- namely, Jesus’ death while yet a child -- would have thus interfered with Jehovah’s means for the very salvation of man. (John 3:16) Thus, those who indulge in such practice are, though unknowingly, giving honor to what was a Satanic scheme which seriously threatened their (1 John 2:2) very prospect of living forever. How ghastly! Somewhat comparable to kissing the knife that would cut your throat. Certainly, no informed, right-minded person would wish to ascribe nobility to such evil “star.”

    Unwittingly, the churches of Christendom help to obscure the truth regarding “the star.” An example of this is the recent appeal for financial support, seen on television’s Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). For a monetary offering viewers would be sent an ornament that was usable either as the centerpiece of a Christmas table or for decorating the tree. According to the advertisement, this ornament, which has the manger scene with the star overhead, “depicts the Star of Bethlehem keeping watch over the newborn Christ child.” Thus, the star is portrayed as having stood guard over the welfare of Jesus when in fact its purpose was to cause his premature death, the very opposite of the truth. -- 2 Corinthians 11:12-15.

    Also, there are the lyrics of Christmas carols which present the star in a favorable light, thereby attributing what is good to that which in reality is bad (Isa 5:20), as seen in the following examples:

    Holy Night: “So, led by light of a star sweetly gleaming.”

    Silent Night:Wondrous star, lend thy light!”

    We Three Kings Of Orient Are: “O, star of wonder, star of
    night, star of royal beauty bright.”

    With you in honoring God, not Satan.
    My name
    My street address
    My city, state, and zip code

  • Flip
    Flip
    …recent appeal for financial support, seen on television’s Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). For a monetary offering viewers would be sent an ornament that was usable either as the centerpiece of a Christmas table or for decorating the tree.

    I could imagine those ‘pumping’ the WTB&TS “Planned Giving Desk” squirming because they didn’t think of doing something similar first. Like after all the financial legalities were completed, sending out little “Jehovah globes” that you hold upside down and once right side up again, it snows.

    Flip

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