How does expansion fit in with colliding galaxies?

by EndofMysteries 24 Replies latest members adult

  • Twitch
    Twitch

    Re OP POV

    I'm sure there are many books, vids and articles on the subject but I'll try and explain what I understand, in a proverbial nutshell.

    Gravity is one of the four main forces binding things together, albeit the weakest by far. If something has mass, it has gravity and the effect on another mass is inversely proportional to the square of the distance i.e. 4x less effect at 2x distance, 9x less effect at 3x distance, etc. (Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation) Thought the force decreases dramatically with distance, it's still there, as evidenced by everything from apples to super clusters. It is a universal force on mass, an attractive force acting even between particles flung from an explosion, resulting in a rather uneven distribution of matter.. See CMB (cosmic microwave background) Stuff eventually clumped together and got hot, all due to gravity. Thus, the universe became full of stars, and everything stars have created since.

    As for the demise of the universe, there are a few theories and they involve what seems to be two prize fighters contending for eternal dominance of everything; gravity pulling things together and dark energy pushing things apart. Dark energy is a yet to be defined force that is the result of observations showing that acceleration of expansion is increasing between cosmic stuff despite the current theories/numbers.

    The Big Crunch will happen if the observed expansion of everything slows/stops/reverses due to gravity overcoming dark energy pushing everything apart. Eventually, gravity will let the air out of the balloon and everything will compress back to into another Big Bang, possibly an eternal cycle.

    If dark energy intensifies, the acceleration of expansion will have a runaway train effect and it will eventually overcome gravity's hold on matter and the "order" it brings to what we have now. The cosmos will expand at an accelerated rate until even gravity can't keep things together. Crazy shit will happen. All matter will be eventually be stripped apart, down to atoms whose binding forces are far greater. What's called The Big Rip.

    If the acceleration of expansion continues as is, a cosmic "red-out" will occur, in that everything will become so far away so fast and it's light will become so red-shifted that it disappears into the "static" of the universe's background noise, the CMB. There will be fewer and fewer stars in the sky, until there are none.

    A similar but slower fate would exist if gravity and dark energy "equal" out, acceleration will slow/stop but inertia will exist and the universe will still expand slowly, forever. The universe will exist for much longer but eventually the last stars will become (theoretical) black dwarves around which circle globes of cold rock, minerals and gas.

    It would follow that the last two theories are not entirely discrete and are endpoints of similar but increasingly radical curves. If acceleration continues, slows or stops, the end result is similar i.e. Big Freeze

    Fascinating, eh?

    Anywho, I don't have any specific references and stand to be corrected on any of this but I enjoyed the opportunity to possibly share some ideas and knowledge, such as it is. It is a discussion forum after all...

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

    A two-dimensional visual help. 

    Gravity tends to attract masses. If two masses are close enough they will eventually merge aside from other stronger counter-forces. 

    A help in understanding this in relation to our Milky Way galaxy and the Andromeda galaxy is to visualize planetary orbits within our solar system. One illustration below shows to bodies orbiting a center, which in our case would be the sun. The illustration shows two masses that are in orbit. 


    Now think of these two orbiting masses as the Milky Way and Andromeda, and then put them in motion with the universe's expansion. 


    From a static perspective it looks like two masses chasing one another in a circle. But when you realize the two masses are also on a parallel motion (with expansion) you also realize what appeared to be circular motion from a static perspective is actually more like an oscillating motion because of the lineal path of expansion. 

    These two masses do not interfere or otherwise change their direction in relation to expansion. That path remains steady. Yet the two masses are moving closer to one another because these two masses are close enough that they will eventually merge because there are not other stronger counter-forces stopping it. 


  • prologos
    prologos
    Good illustration Marvin. It almost appears that the expansion"direction" are the "arrows" of movement through time, at right angles to motion through space. 
  • kaik
    kaik
    One of the reason why galaxies collide are due their mutual gravitational interaction is much stronger than the force that causes the universe to expand. On the scale of the universe, Andromeda M31 and M32 are much close and the gravitational forces between Milky way and them is so strong that it overcame the expansion of the universe. M31 is 20% larger, but there is a debate if the Milky Way is heavier due presence of the dark matter, but eventually, the collision will cause both galaxies to merge. There are dozens of example int he universe of the colliding and interacting galaxies, so we get rather good idea how this happen in the terms of celestial mechanics or astrophysics. Anyone can search university programs or even visit near by planetarium.
  • Twitch
    Twitch

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP34E-ozwEM

    There's a great illustration relevant to the OP's question starting at 16:16

    A great vid overall actually.

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