Measuring the Immeasurable...Why?

by upside/down 5 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • upside/down
    upside/down

    Spirituality... is an "intangible".

    The JW's are obsessed with measuring EVERYTHING (like the Pharisees)...

    Time in the FS= Spirituality

    Meeting attendance= Spirituality

    Self sacrificing lifestyle= Spirituality

    Being broke= Spirituality

    Reading the Daily Text, Daily Bible reading, prep for meetings, TMS parts, Meeting parts, shepherding, RV's, Bible Studies, placements of literature.......etc.etc........... = SPIRITUALITY

    So how does one explain the widows mite? Right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing? fasting... but not giving the appearance of fasting? Praying in private? Enjoying the fruits of our labor?

    Why the obsession of trying to measure the Immeasurable?

    u/d

  • Terry
    Terry

    For me, a concept is only valid if you can point to something and identify it as a referent. Something that exemplifies a concept and allows others to agree/disagree accurately makes communication about that concept possible.

    (Bag of peanuts). Conceptual. But, in a room filled with bags of peanuts how do you find a __particular__one without details???

    A word, such as SPIRITUALITY, has no referent. It is up for grabs. All things to all people. It is completely meaningless because of this.

    Religion (and especially Jehovah's Witnesses) use concepts that have no referent all the time to smooth out their ridiculous agenda.

    This forces them to be very precise about other things to distract from their utter laxity in the conceptual premises they hide from view.

    Take the phrase: SPIRITUALLY SICK. It seems to mean something. Indeed, it is discussed all the time. Certain actions and inactions are constantly cited to help identify the condition and single out the person "suffering" from this malady.

    Humans aren't spirits. They are flesh and bone and blood. Illness impairs the day to day functioning of flesh and bone and blood. From this ACTUAL condition and ACTUAL referents a __metaphor is born. The Spiritual person is said to be sick. But, there is no SPIRITUAL PERSON! There is no referent; only a floating concept. The metaphor becomes a substitute for the reality.

    JW's give endless details about "signs" of the END TIMES. But, these details aren't even REAL MEASUREMENTS of when the "end" will come. Why not?

    The list of events Normally occur. But, by seemingly making them cluster into a composite sign these normal occurances appear "significant". They aren't significant; at least, not as a sign pointing to anything that will follow. There have always been earthquakes. Where? One place after another. There have always been food shortages. There has always been marrying and being given in marriage. There has always been eating and drinking. Etc etc.

    It is the very NORMALITY of these occurances that allows generation after generation to be dead certain they are living in the TIME OF THE END. Nobody really examines these floating concepts. The very ordinary nature of them disqualifies them as special signs.

    An actual MEASUREMENT of anything is for the purpose of identifying details that distinguish one thing from another. A bag of peanuts is just a bag of peanuts without measurement. But, a yellow bag of 72 peanuts that weighs precisely 14 oz. on a red table with a blue twisty-tie identifies and quantifies.

    In a room full of bags of peanuts this can be important!

    JW's stick with the floating concept of "bag of peanuts" and they never really give any precision at all! They pretend to do so. Like a magician who misdirects your eye___they pull their rabbits out of hats and amaze the unwary.

    Every exact detail Jehovah's Witnesses have ever cited has been their undoing!

    Precise dates have always proved them wrong. Precise prediction at precise dates is PROOF positive they are in error. No, they will stick to imprecision and conceptual manipulation; it is far safer to mislead people and not suffer being made the fools they are.

    Terry

  • upside/down
    upside/down

    Thanks Terry, I agree...

    I could never understand how the Dubs equated personal harships with being spiritually sick (as abstract and wrong as that is).

    For example, were Job and JC "spiritually sick", since Devil the Satan personally attacked them? When in fact the opposite was true.

    Yet the average Dub will ALWAYS label a person that is "struggling" as either "sick" or "weak" or not relying on J enough. What perverse reasoning. No wonder they're all depressed and guilt ridden.

    u/d

  • upside/down
    upside/down

    So how would one explain the whole, when I'm weak I'm strong...line of reasoning?

    u/d (of the minimus isn't the only one that asks why class)

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    How long is a piece of string? How far does the crow fly?

  • DannyBloem
    DannyBloem

    measuring = control

    control = power

    by the way, I do not think spirituality is inmeasurable as per definition.

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