1975 True Believers -- 201 (part two)

by JAVA 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • JAVA
    JAVA

    In "1975 Believer -- 101" at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/88161/1.ashx we discussed how a Jehovah's Witness with a conviction is a hard person to change despite overwhelming evidence that the conviction is wrong. This new thread introduces conditions under which we can expect to observe INCREASED fervor following the disconfirmation of a belief.


    There are five conditions the True Believer Class needs to increase activity, even when others within the movement decrease involvement. In general, they are:


    1. The True Believer must not only have a deep conviction, but it must have some relevance to their action or behavior.


    2. The True Believer must have taken action that is difficult to undo; the greater the difficulty to undo, the greater the believer's commitment.


    3. The belief must be very specific and understood by believers and non-believers so the specific event can be refuted.


    4. The disconfirmed event is evident to others, and the True Believer.


    5. The True Believer must have social support in order to increase activity or behavior.


    Fill free to give examples in the Witness community that fit any of the five conditions.


    I've adapted both threads from information found in, "When Prophecy Fails" by Leon Festinger, Henry W. Riecken, and Stanley Schachter. New York: Harper, 1964. The book reports on a study done through the Laboratory for Research in Social Relations of the University of Minnesota, first published in 1956 by the University of Minnesota Press.


    I'm fairly sure it's out of print, but used bookstores and computer book-find services might have it. The work is a social and psychological study of a small group that predicted the destruction of the world on December 21, sometime in the early 1950s.

  • JAVA
    JAVA

    I've edited the above post using Explorer, and removed the comments on this post. Mac folks using Sarari can't edit on that format. :-)

  • blondie
    blondie

    There is currently a copy of When Prophecy Fails available on Amazon.com and 3 on www.alibris.com starting at $14.95 plus shipping. I have a copy in my library. It helps to know that certain things are not just uniqute to the WTS so that when you jump out of the pan it isn't into the fire.

    Blondie

  • JAVA
    JAVA

    Blondie - Thanks for the info and link. You're right about how the JW experience is not just unique to the group. While doing research on the shunning effects of former JWs in the 1980s, there was very little scholarly research done on the Witnesses. However, when I looked at other high-control and cult-like groups, I was amazed how similar they were to the Witnesses, and my experience! The format for these groups are nearly the same in many respects.

  • Scully
    Scully
    1. The True Believer must not only have a deep conviction, but it must have some relevance to their action or behavior.

    For a JW who joined the religion prior to 1975 with the deep conviction that the System of Things- TM was about to end , the relevance to their behaviour is that they are afraid to admit that they made an error in judgement that altered their family's life - not just for a few years - but for decades to follow.

    2. The True Believer must have taken action that is difficult to undo; the greater the difficulty to undo, the greater the believer's commitment.

    How about these:

    • not getting a better education or discouraging your kids from getting a good education
    • not saving for retirement
    • existing at a lower economic level while having the potential to do better for yourself and your family
    • not buying a house (a long-term investment)
    • not having children
    • not getting married
    • getting married to the wrong person and/or staying in a bad marriage
    • not pursuing career opportunities

    All of these things have happened to JWs who believed they were just putting their lives "on hold" for a little while, as they awaited the start of the Great Tribulation and Armageddon. They made these sacrifices and 30 years later are still paying for them. Psychologically, people start to feel "trapped"... "If I quit now, then surely Armageddon will come right away!" They've squandered their life's potential and to admit that would be a huge mental and emotional catastrophe. It's much like the gambler at the slot machine after sitting there dropping quarters in for hours and hours... they believe that if they get up and walk away, the next person will get the big payoff!

    3. The belief must be very specific and understood by believers and non-believers so the specific event can be refuted.
    The 1975 prediction is there in black-and-white in the WTS's publications. The disconfirmation of the "prophecy" and "blaming the victims" is also there in black-and-white in the WTS's publications. It simply boggles my mind that so many JWs can ignore the obvious.


    4. The disconfirmed event is evident to others, and the True Believer.
    Well, it's 2005 now... 30 years later. Seems evident enough to me.


    5. The True Believer must have social support in order to increase activity or behavior.
    Isn't that the only "support" one can count on as a JW?? That there is always, always, always admonition to do more from the WTS and the congregation?
  • Check_Your_Premises
    Check_Your_Premises

    One aspect of the social proof provided by other true believers is that once a prophecy fails, they become VERY serious about prostletyzing.

    I have not subjected it to serious scrutiny, but if I recall, the proclaimers book talks about a renewed effort to spread the truth. These renewed efforts always coincide with a major failed prophecy.

    The reason is because whenever a prophecy fails, it is a serious challenge to the tb's faith. They need to ensure their are many others who believe as they do. The fact that their are all these new converts despite the prophetic failures helps gird the tb's faith.

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    When Prophecies Fail

    A Sociological Perspective on Failed Expectation in the Watchtower Society

    by Randall Watters

    from the Bethel Ministries Newsletter May/June 1990 (now the Free Minds Journal)

    from http://www.freeminds.org/psych/propfail.htm


    Few aspects of the Jehovah's Witness movement are more fascinating to the outside observer than their predictions of the end of the world. Yet the predictions themselves are just the surface ripples of a much deeper current in the lives of the movement's adherents. How the prophecies affect the members, how their belief in the prophecy gets stronger, and how they cope with disillusionment and finally regroup with greater strength is far more fascinating food for thought.

    There have been plenty of end-times scenarios that could be studied since the time of Christ. As early as the second century, the charismatic leader Montanus gained a following around the belief that the second coming of the Lord was at hand, and that this would occur at a specific location according to his "New Prophecy". Harold O.J. Brown says,

    "Montanus' conviction that the end of the age was at hand led him to call on Christians to abstain from marriage, dissolve marriages already contracted, and gather in an appropriate place to await the descent of the heavenly city. The heavenly city did not descend when expected, and consequently Montanus and his followers had to come to terms with its delay, as the whole church had to learn to deal with the postponement of Christ's Second Coming." 1

    What is interesting, however, was that the Montanists did not die out right away, but continued as a small cult for several centuries in Phrygia of Asia Minor."

    Leon Festinger's Theory

    In studying this phenomena, credit must be given to Leon Festinger for his cognitive dissonance theory, 2 as developed in his book When Prophecy Fails, originally published in 1956 and co-authored by Festinger, Henry W. Riecken and Stanley Schachter. The authors comprised a research team who conducted a study of a small cult-following of a Mrs. Marian Keech, a housewife who claimed to receive messages from aliens via automatic writing. The message of the aliens was one of a coming world cataclysm, but with the hope of surviving for the elect who listened to them through Keech and selected other mediums. What Festinger and his associates demonstrated in the end was that the failure of prophecy often has the opposite effect of what the average person might expect; the cult following often gets stronger and the members even more convinced of the truth of their actions and beliefs! This unique paradox is the focus of attention in this article, and will be later applied specifically to the Jehovah's Witness movement.

    Festinger observes:

    "A man with a conviction is a hard man to change. Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts or figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point.
    "We have all experienced the futility of trying to change a strong conviction, especially if the convinced person has some investment in his belief. We are familiar with the variety of ingenious defenses with which people protect their convictions, managing to keep them unscathed through the most devastating attacks.
    "But man's resourcefulness goes beyond simply protecting a belief. Suppose an individual believes something with his whole heart; suppose further that he has a commitment to this belief, that he has taken irrevocable actions because of it; finally, suppose that he is presented with evidence, unequivocal and undeniable evidence, that his belief is wrong: what will happen? The individual will frequently emerge, not only unshaken, but even more convinced of the truth of his beliefs than ever before. Indeed, he may even show a new fervor about convincing and converting other people to his view. 3 (italics ours)

    When Prophecy Fails focuses on the failure of prophecies to come true, termed disconfirmation by Festinger, and the accompanied renewal of energy and faith in their source of divine guidance. His theory presupposes the cult having certain identifying features, such as: (a) belief held with deep conviction along with respective actions taken, (b) the belief or prediction must be specific enough to be disconfirmed (i.e., it didn't happen), (c) the believer is a member of a group of like-minded believers who support one another and even proselytize. All of these characteristics were present in the saucer cult.

    Of particular interest in Festinger's book is how the followers of Mrs. Keech reacted to each disconfirmation (failed date). Little attempt was made to deny the failure. The strength to continue in the movement was derived, not largely from the rationalizations , but from the very energy of the group itself and its dedication to the cause. This explains why proselytizing was so successful later in reinforcing the group's sagging belief system. Festinger relates:

    "But whatever explanation is made it is still by itself not sufficient. The dissonance is too important and though they may try to hide it, even from themselves, the believers still know that the prediction was false and all their preparations were in vain. The dissonance cannot be eliminated completely by denying or rationalizing the disconfirmation. But there is a way in which the remaining dissonance can be reduced. If more and more people can be persuaded that the system of belief is correct, then clearly it must, after all, be correct. Consider the extreme case: if everyone in the whole world believed something there would be no question at all as to the validity of this belief. It is for this reason that we observe the increase in proselytizing following disconfirmation. If the proselytizing proves successful, then by gathering more adherents and effectively surrounding himself with supporters, the believer reduces dissonance to the point where he can live with it." 4

    In the end, the members of the flying saucer cult did not give up their faith in the Guardians from outer space with their promises of a new world. Despite numerous prophecies and the resultant disappointment accentuated by many personal sacrifices, the group remained strong. Summarizing the final stages of the flying saucer cult, Festinger says:

    "Summarizing the evidence on the effect that disconfirmation had on the conviction of group members, we find that, of the eleven members of the Lake City group who faced unequivocal disconfirmation, only two, Kurt Freund and Arthur Bergen, both of whom were lightly committed to begin with, completely gave up their belief in Mrs. Keech's writings. Five members of the group, the Posts, the Armstrongs, and Mrs. Keech, all of whom entered the pre-cataclysm period strongly convinced and heavily committed, passed through this period of disconfirmation and its aftermath with their faith firm, unshaken, and lasting. Cleo Armstrong and Bob Eastman, who had come to Lake City heavily committed but with their conviction shaken by Ella Lowell, emerged from the disconfirmation of December 21 more strongly convinced than before..." 5
    Application to the Watchtower

    Festinger and co-authors review a few of the historic millennial movements. Among them were the Millerites, a cult centered around the advent hopes for the end of the world to come in the year 1843 as taught by William Miller. The feelings of those in the Millerite movement after the 1843 prophecy had passed were conveyed in the memoirs of F.D. Nichol (who continued to defend William Miller even after the disconfirmed date):

    "Our fondest hopes and expectations were blasted, and such a spirit of weeping came over us as I never experienced before. It seemed that the loss of all earthly friends could have been no comparison. We wept, and wept, till the day dawn. I mused in my own heart, saying, my advent experience has been the richest and brightest of all my Christian experience. If this had proved a failure, what was the rest of my Christian experience worth? Has the Bible proved a failure? Is there no God, no heaven, no golden home city, no paradise? Is all this but a cunningly devised fable? Is there no reality to our fondest hope and expectation of these things? And thus we had something to grieve and weep over, if all our fond hopes were lost. And as I said, we wept till the day dawn." 6

    Interestingly, Festinger fails to discuss the International Bible Students (later known as Jehovah's Witnesses) who borrowed extensively from several millennial theories of the day. In January 1876 Russell began a partnership with Nelson H. Barbour, a former Millerite. Barbour convinced Russell that the year 1873 marked the end of 6000 years of human history.

    Historian M. James Penton tells us that Barbour had gone far beyond Wendell and his associates, who had originally believed that 1873 would see the second advent and the consummation of the earth by fire. When nothing visible had happened in that year, they were at first quite perplexed until B.W. Keith, a reader of the Herald, discovered Benjamin Wilson's translation of parousia as "presence" Then, like Russell, Barbour and Paton began to believe in the idea of an invisible presence of the Christ, which they felt had begun on schedule in 1874." 7

    Penton, a Watchtower historian and critic of the movement, relates additional information regarding the prophecies of Russell:

    "No major Christian sectarian movement has been so insistent on prophesying the end of the present world in such definite ways or on such specific dates as have Jehovah's Witnesses, at least since the Millerites and Second Adventists of the nineteenth century who were the Witnesses' direct millenarian forbears. During the early years of their history, they consistently looked to specific dates-1874, 1878, 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, and others-as having definite eschatological significance...When these prophecies failed, they had to be reinterpreted, spiritualized, or, in some cases, ultimately abandoned. This did not deter Russell or his followers from setting new dates, however, or from simply proclaiming that the end of this world or system of things was no more than a few years or perhaps even months away." 8

    The results of disconfirmation of prophecy within the organization was later admitted by the Watch Tower itself:

    "The Watch Tower, and its companion publications of the Society, for forty years emphasized the fact that 1914 would witness the establishment of God's kingdom and the complete glorification of the church. During that period of forty years God's people on earth were carrying on a witness work, which work was foreshadowed by Elijah and John the Baptist. All of the Lord's people looked forward to 1914 with joyful expectation.
    "When that time came and passed there was much disappointment, chagrin and mourning, and the Lord's people were greatly in reproach; They were ridiculed by the clergy and their allies in particular, and pointed to with scorn, because they had said so much about 1914, and what would come to pass, and their `prophecies' had not been fulfilled." 9

    The disconfirmation of the 1914 date did not deter the majority of the Bible Students. Russell had the ability to lift up their spirits with new fervor and hope, as the December 15, 1914 issue of The Watch Tower illustrates:

    "God has promised that He will give His true children the light at the time appointed, and that they shall have the joy of understanding His Plan at the appropriate season ... Even if the time of our change should not come within ten years, what more should we ask? Are we not a blessed, happy people? Is not our God faithful? If anyone knows anything better, let him take it. If any of you ever find anything better, we hope you will tell us. We know of nothing better nor half as good as what we have found in the Word of God." 10

    Russell reworked his chronology and moved the date for the end of the world up to 1915. After the end failed to materialize in 1915, the end was set for 1918, when "God destroys the churches wholesale and the church members by millions." 11

    At the death of C.T. Russell in 1916, J.F. Rutherford took over the role of the `prophet,' proclaiming in 1920 that Millions Now Living Will Never Die in a booklet and lecture by the same name. Rutherford set a new date for the end for 1925, also claiming that it would bring the resurrection of the ancient men of God to the earth, such as Abraham, Isaac, David, etc. So sure was Rutherford of this that he made the following statements:

    "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the apostle in Hebrews chapter 11, to the condition of human perfection." 12
    "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the scriptures than 1914." 13
    "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." 14

    Rutherford even had a house built in San Diego for these ancients, and it was deeded to them when it was built! 15 Bearing witness to the ability of the Witnesses to ride out this period of disconfirmation, the house and the prophecy wasn't abandoned until 1943, when it was promptly sold. The Witnesses were later told that it was "built for brother Rutherford's use." 16

    Rutherford kept the Witnesses occupied with proselytizing during the thirties. As with the flying saucer cult, Rutherford began teaching that there was some great significance in their disappointment over the disconfirmed prophecies and that the dates were somehow important, but they eventually decided against setting dates:

    "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1914, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time. Later the faithful learned that these dates were definitely fixed in the Scriptures; and they also learned to quit fixing dates for the future and predicting what would come to pass on a certain date ..." 17

    The disappointment didn't last long, however. The outbreak of World War II was seen as the beginning of Armageddon. An in-house publication of the Watchtower stated in 1940:

    "The Kingdom is here, the King is enthroned. Armageddon is just ahead. The glorious reign of Christ that shall bring blessings to the world will immediately follow. Therefore the great climax has been reached. Tribulation has fallen upon those who stand by the Lord." 18

    The Watchtower of September 15, 1941 (p . 288) even stated that we are "in the remaining months before Armageddon." Armageddon fever was at an all-time high. Barbara Grizzuti Harrison, former member of the Watchtower's Bethel family, gives us a glimpse of the air of expectancy:

    "So firmly did Jehovah's Witnesses believe this to be true that there were those who, in 1944, refused to get their teeth filled, postponing all care of their bodies until God saw to their regeneration in His New World. (One zealous Witness I knew carried a supply of cloves to alleviate the pain of an aching molar which she did not wish to have treated by her dentist, since the time was so short till Jehovah would provide a new and perfect one. To this day, I associate the fragrance of cloves with the imminence of disaster.)" 19
    A New Date - 1975

    The end came for Rutherford in 1942, as he passed away and N.H. Knorr took his place as the key member of the faithful and discreet slave, dispensing prophetic messages to the Witnesses. However, more credit is due to Frederick W. Franz, Knorr's vice-president, for the prediction of 1975 that first appeared in Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God (1966). Exercising caution in stating that this new date would definitely be the end, Franz (through his public lectures and Watchtower articles) made statements such as "according to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E." 20 Any Jehovah's Witness knew that the end of 6000 years meant the beginning of the millennium of Christ's reign. The Awake! magazine of October 8, 1968 (p. 14) stated, "How fitting it would be for God, following this pattern, to end man's misery after six thousand years of human rule and follow it with his glorious Kingdom rule for a thousand years!"

    In lectures given to the members of the headquarters staff in New York, Franz stated (regarding the end) that "we don't know now if it will be weeks or months," before a crowd of 2000 Witnesses. 21 Many other statements were made in print. One traveling overseer even gave a public talk indicating it would be a total lack of faith to doubt that 1975 would be the end! 22 Franz became the fourth president of the Watchtower a year later.

    Unlike the flying saucer cult and the Millerites, the Watchtower was at first unwilling to accept blame for the disconfirmation, shifting it to "over-zealous brothers." Many Witnesses, however, were outraged and the Watchtower finally accepted much of the blame publicly.

    Friends of those who were Jehovah's Witnesses often noted the changes in their lives as 1975 approached. Janice Godlove relates this regarding her JW brother and sister-in-law:

    "As 1975 approached, the signs of tension increased. Strange bits and pieces of the family atmosphere came to our attention. There was an almost morbid fascination with flocks of birds gathering in the fall. We were given all of their canned goods since they wouldn't need them anymore. An access panel had been cut in the wall behind their washing machine and the boys (who were 5 and 3 at the time) were told to run to the kitchen and hide if they heard screams. Bill was so disappointed by the failure of 1975 that he attempted suicide. But the tract we left by his hospital bed went unread and the family remained in the organization." 23

    Today, 1975 is played down, but no recent reason is officially given for the disconfirmation, nor is there any further official date on the horizon. Some recent converts are even unaware of the 1975 expectations.

    A Pattern for the Future

    A pattern emerges when we examine the growth figures before and after each disconfirmation. Typically, there was a rapid growth in numbers at least two years before the prophetic date, followed by a falling away of some (viewed as a "cleansing" of the organization of the unfaithful), then another growth spurt as a new emphasis on evangelism was put forward.

    It may seem incomprehensible how the Witnesses could ignore the implications of each disconfirmation. Outsiders view the Witnesses as lacking common sense for not leaving the organization after numerous failures. They fail to understand the dynamics of mind control as used by cults. Even many ex-JWs fail to understand that the further disconfirmation of the importance of 1914 and "this generation" will not seriously affect the numbers of those swelling the ranks of the Watchtower. The results of mind control and unquestioning obedience will have the same effect today as it did in Russell's day. His view was, "Where else can we go?" Harrison writes regarding this attitude,

    "That, of course, is one of the keys to survival of the organization Russell founded on soft mysticism, glorious visions and worldly disaffection. The Witnesses had nowhere else to go. Their investment in their religion was total; to leave it would have meant spiritual and emotional bankruptcy. They were not equipped to function in a world without certainty. It was their life. To leave it would be a death." 24

    This same dependency-unto-death phenomena is at work in thousands of cults all over the world. People wondered at Jonestown: "Why didn't they leave when they saw what Jim Jones was becoming?" The people of Jonestown answered by their actions, "Where else would we go?" They had burned their bridges to follow their Messiah unto death.

    Over 110 years and several failed prophecies later, the Watchtower movement is testimony enough that failed predictions do not mean the dissolution of a cult following. The failure of 1975 resulted in a decrease of less than 2%. 25 The Watchtower will always be able to develop clever rationalizations regarding their changing dates, as their history documents. Today, the Watchtower grows at a rate of about 5% per year worldwide, with over 3.7 million door knockers and over 9 million sympathizers! 26

    When the dissolution of the Watchtower movement comes, as it inevitably will, it will more likely be due to dissension from within than from the disconfirmation of prophecy. Until that day, let us hope and pray that the eyes of many Witnesses will be opened up to the grace and mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ and come to Him.

    FOOTNOTES:

    1. Harold O.J. Brown, Heresies (New York: Doubleday, 1984), p. 67.

    2. In brief, Festinger explains the cognitive dissonance theory thusly:

    "Dissonance and consonance are relations among cognitions that is, among opinions, beliefs, knowledge of the environment, and knowledge of one's own actions and feelings. Two opinions, or beliefs, or items of knowledge are dissonant with each other if they do not fit together that is, if they are inconsistent, or if, considering only the particular two items, one does not follow from the other. For example, a cigarette smoker who believes that smoking is bad for his health has an opinion that is dissonant with the knowledge that he is continuing to smoke. He may have many other opinions, beliefs, or items of knowledge that are consonant with continuing to smoke but the dissonance nevertheless exists too.

    "Dissonance produces discomfort and, correspondingly, there will arise pressures to reduce or eliminate the dissonance. Attempts to reduce dissonance represent the observable manifestations that dissonance exists. Such attempts may take any or all of three forms. The person may try to change one or more of the beliefs, opinions, or behaviors involved in the dissonance; to acquire new information or beliefs that will increase the existing consonance and thus cause the total dissonance to be reduced; or to forget or reduce the importance of those cognitions that are in a dissonant relationship." (p. 25-26)

    "Alternatively, the dissonance would be reduced or eliminated if the members of a movement effectively blind themselves to the fact that the prediction has not been fulfilled. But most people, including members of such movements, are in touch with reality and cannot simply blot out of their cognition such an unequivocal and undeniable fact. They can try to ignore it, however, and they usually do try. They may convince themselves that the date was wrong but that the prediction will, after all, be shortly confirmed; or they may even set another date as the Millerites did.... Rationalization can reduce dissonance somewhat. For rationalization to be fully effective, support from others is needed to make the explanation or the revision seem correct. Fortunately, the disappointed believer can usually turn to the others in the same movement, who have the same dissonance and the same pressures to reduce it. Support for the new explanation is, hence, forthcoming and the members of the movement can recover somewhat from the shock of the disconfirmation." --Leon Festinger, Henry W. Riecken, and Stanley Schachter, When Prophecy Fails, (New York: Harper and Row, 1956), pp. 27, 28.

    3. ibid., p. 3.

    4. ibid., p. 28.

    5. ibid., p. 208.

    6. ibid., p. 22; quoted from Hiram Edson, fragment of ms. on his life and experience, pp. 8,9, quoted in Francis D. Nichol, The Midnight Cry (Tacoma Park, Washington, D.C.: Review and Herald Publishing Company, 1944), pp. 247-248.

    7. M. James Penton, Apocalypse Delayed (Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 1985), p. 18.

    8. ibid., pp. 34.

    9. Joseph Rutherford, Light, Book I (New York: Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, 1930), p. 194.

    10. The Watch Tower, 12/15/14, p. 377.

    11. Watchtower Bible & Tract Society (WTBTS), The Finished Mystery, 1917 edition, p. 485.

    12. WTBTS, Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, p. 89.

    13. The Watch Tower, 9/1/22, p. 262.

    14. ibid., 4/1/23, p. 106.

    15. Consolation (WTBTS), 5/27/42, p. 3, also Golden Age (WTBTS), 3/19/30, p. 406, 407.

    16. WTBTS, 1975 Yearbook, p. 194.

    17. WTBTS, Vindication, Book I, 1931, pp. 338, 339.

    18. WTBTS, The Messenger, 9/1/40, p. 6.

    19. Barbara Grizzuti Harrison, Visions of Glory (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978), p. 16.

    20. WTBTS, Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, 1966, p. 29.

    21. F.W. Franz, verbatim as quoted by Randall Watters, present at the March 2, 1975 graduating class of the students of Gilead school. See The Watchtower, 5/1/75, p. 285.

    22. Message given by C. Sunutko, Circuit Overseer, in 1967 (tape available).

    23. The Bethel Ministries Newsletter, November, 1987, in a letter by Janice Godlove respecting her brother and sisterinlaw.

    24. Harrison, p. 167.

    25. Raymond Franz, Crisis of Conscience (Atlanta: Commentary Press, 1983), p. 212.

    26. WTBTS, 1990 Yearbook, pp. 4041.

  • JAVA
    JAVA

    Scully -- Your comments show how the JW-True-Believer Class fits into the five conditions that one can expect to see INCREASSED efforts after the disconfirming event in their life, like the failure of The End in 1975. Indeed, while many were slowing down and dropping out, the Believer Class picked up speed.

    I appreciate your point about, "They made these sacrifices and 30 years later are still paying for them." That?s the tragedy of being a True Believer, and it also points to pitfalls of exiting members. After years, sometimes decades, of "waiting on Jehovah" or "not running ahead of the organization," it's difficult starting a family, going to college, planning for retirement, etc.

    There is no doubt about it, being a Jehovah Witness is bad for your health and well being.

  • i am a good soul
    i am a good soul

    Are there any exceptions for Jehovah's Witnesses to have really good friends who are non-believers? Can they be allowed to associate at anytime with Non-believers? I mean what are they suppose to do when the go to public school?

  • MinisterAmos
    MinisterAmos

    They are not supposed to have friends out of the religion and spouses who fall out of grace are not counted are "real" spouses since they will not be re-incarnated or survive after Armageddon

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