Holocaust denier deported

by Kenneson 45 Replies latest jw friends

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  Abaddon

  Well whatever,

  ah, an elegent defence... you seem to think you having an opinion means anything of itself. An opinion is NOTHING without the facts to back it up, which you don't have.

  I certainly see the double standard, that anyone else can be critisized but Israel and the religion of Judaism can not.

  You are again confusing

  1. neo-nazis and anti-semites revising the Holocaust for political and ideological ends
  2. fair criticism of a human-rights abusing country

  2. can be done freely. 1. can even be done if you get your FACTS straight, but one thing revisionists and anti-semites are not too strong on is facts. They lie and distort facts to provide a pleasing fairy story for people who, usually, are already bigots or who are looking for someone to blame for their being a sad loser. The fairy story makes their supporters feel special, and removes any guilt they might feel for supporting an evil political ideology as they are convinced by the fairy story it isn't evil.

  You can attack and bash christianity, but dont you dare touch Judaism or its "sacred" Talmud or Kabballah. No, keep your mouth shut and keep paying your taxes.

  You already hate Jews, don't you? So, you're an easy target for the scum who peddle lies, and you seem to be taking it hook, line and sinker.

  You have my pity. Go read a history book sometime.
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  Ianone

  It is more than just human rights abuse. The Zionist necons infiltration of the Whitehouse. Monopolization of the media and Monetary System. and worst of all, their hateful/racist doctrines in their religious writings of the Zohar, Talmud, and other Rabbinical commentaries.
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  Abaddon

  ian, engage your brain whilst you still have one; far more Jews have been killed by Christians than Christians by Jews.

  That's how powerful Jews are.

  You are sniffing paranoid delusions spread by bigots. Stop it.
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  jwbot

  "The Zionist necons infiltration of the Whitehouse. Monopolization of the media and Monetary System"
  
  Ahhh NOW we get down to what you REALLY think. See, here I thought you wanted to talk about human rights abuses...but now, your bigotry just shown through loud and very very clear.
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  Ianone

  Spare me the routine, Million and millions of Orthodox Russian christians were executed under the Jewish Communists in Russia from 1917-1999.

  "...there is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself. In the fact that so many Jews are Bolsheviks. In the fact that the ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with the finest ideals of Judaism." (The London Jewish Chronicle, April 4, 1919)

  "Some call it Marxism -- I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).

  Karl Marx in Russia, his jewish name was "Moses Mordechai Levi Marx" and his father was a cheif rabbi in Colgne.

  "The Gulag Archipelago, 'he informed an incredulous world that the blood-maddened Jewish terrorists had murdered sixty-six million victims in Russia from 1918 to 1957! Solzhenitsyn cited Cheka Order No. 10, issued on January 8, 1921: 'To intensify the repression of the bourgeoisie.'" (Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago)

  "We intend to remake the Gentiles -- what the Communists are doing in Russia." (Rabbi Lewish Brown in How Odd of God, New York, 1 924)

  "The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920)

  all of these sources are mainstream, so dont try to discredit them
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  Abaddon

  Oh, Ian, you're the one with the (sad, tired) routine. People like you (and some of these have indeed been Jewish, as have some been Muslims or Christians or <insert religion here>, or atheists) have been spreading divisiveness and hate of 'the other' for thousands of years.

  You see, it is not Jews who are the problem. It is people like you that are the problem.

  I love your dating "1917-1999". Typical of your sort to take an involvement of some Jews (nominal or otherwise) at the start of the USSR as enough to make Communism Jewish. You of course ignore that far more prominent people were Christian, nominal or otherwise, or indeed atheistic. You ignore that Jews were persecuted under Communism. But since when did selective vision and abject ignorance of history stop a bigot from being bigoted? You take a handful of quotes from before WWII, and one from Solzhenitsyn, of whom the following is interesting;

  Someone familiar with Solzhenitsyn's treatment of Jews in his historical novels cannot escape the feeling that, at least in some measure, this undertaking is an effort to rid the author of the reputation for anti-Semitism. Although Solzhenitsyn has always indignantly rejected this accusation, it was not entirely unmerited. In Lenin in Zürich, he depicted the Russian Jew Alexander Parvus-Helphand as a slimy, sinister, almost satanic figure as he attempted to hire the exile Lenin to work for the Germans. In The Red Wheel, when dealing with the assassination of his hero Peter Stolypin by Dmitry Bogrov (whom he named "Mordka" or Mordechai, lest anyone miss his nationality), Solzhenitsyn attributed to the assassin, without any historical warrant, a desire to prevent Stolypin from reforming Russia, since what was good for Russia was bad for the Jews. In fact, Bogrov came from a thoroughly assimilated family--his grandfather was a convert and his father a member of the Kievan Nobles' Club--and he had no Jewish interests in mind.

  http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/141

  Of course, as it would seem you are at the bottom of the food-chain of bigotry, feeding off the easily digestible justifications for hate without really knowing if these beliefs are in any way factual, you'd be unaware that Solzhenitsyn's attitude is fairly condensed here as;

  Solzhenitsyn reserves his hostility for those assimilated Jews who, from the 1860s onward, in large numbers joined the revolutionary movement.

  Assimilated Jews. Yah know, like when the Borg assimilate people, they are Borg, not whatever they were before? Assimilated Jews as in Russians of Jewish descent? Of course the idea that a Jew could be anything other than a Jew is alien to you...

  You also unwittingly swallow the idea that Communism was Jewish, but by this point you have shown yourself so willing to believe the mantras of hate you will be unlikely to read the linked article, which nicely rubbishes such silly ideas.

  If you 'eat at the table' of hate mongers you get served hate. Why not actually learn a little history so you can develop your own opinion, rather than swallowing down something that tickles your fancy? Or are you such a small person the idea of not having someone to blame is alien to you?

  I live in hope...