Memories of my judicial committee meeting....

by kitties_and_horses_oh_my! 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • kitties_and_horses_oh_my!
    kitties_and_horses_oh_my!

    You know, I was reading one of the posts about how dubs rat each other out - and good god, I was excellent at that, I even frickin ratted myself out, sad really! It brought to mind my judicial committee meeting:

    I'd been employed in a job that required skip-tracing. For those who don't know, skip-tracing is just that: tracing people who have "skipped" out on their financial obligations, in this case their car loans. So at times, under a lot of pressure to find the debtor, I'd call someone and make up a blatent lie to find out the info I needed. I came up with some good ones - well, some good ones and then some ones that were so stupid I can't believe anybody fell for them. Oh well, that was before caller ID was big and I was maybe 19 at the time.

    Anyway, I go to the elders after a particulary bad lie and fall apart, crying, begging them to help me. We go in the back after meeting and of everything that happened, the only thing I remember was their endless repetition of the question: "Does anybody else know you lied?" Well...I knew what they were getting at, so I lied again (d'oh, going to hell now for sure!) and said no, the only person who'd heard me say what I said was the debtor and they didn't know it was a lie.

    Funny how a) it's so much easier to tell the truth now that I'm not a Witness! b) how much more important it is for me now to live by the spirit, rather than the letter, of the law and c) how the only thing they cared about was "God's name."

    I think they may have asked me once...no, never mind, they never asked me even once how I was coping or how I was going to cope with my job in the future or gave me encouragement for coming forward. Wow, I guess they didn't say one positive thing at all. Good for them! If they'd been nice maybe I wouldn't have been so easily swayed by the evil doc to leave their kind clutches!

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    It cuts my heart in half to hear how they encourage and comfort 'erring ones' the WT way.

    The elder arrangement is such a hateful loving provision from the FDS. Walking by spirit not by the letter of the law is foreign to them. I'm very happy you have it in you.

  • BrendaCloutier
    BrendaCloutier

    Kitties, I can see how openly sincere you were (and are!) and how lovingly you were received and counselled........ Now, don't you wish to confess all of your sins since leaving, cry a river and return?

    Ok, so I'm full of BS today.

    Hugs and love

    Bren

  • lilybird
    lilybird

    Hi kitties, I sympathize with you and give you kuddos for facing the firing squad. I went thru a similar experience. It is not heartwarming or inspiring or spiritually enlighting in any way. Its a shame that these men are put in the postion of spiritual leaders and shepards and they have had no real training or guidance on how to empathize and help others deal with difficult situations. That is one of many reasons why I left. Happiest day of my life when I broke free...

  • JustTickledPink
    JustTickledPink

    I ratted myself out too, back when I was 18 for kissing boys. I thought I had committed some horrible evil sin.

    I even ratted on a couple other people... I hate that I did it, but I was very young, and not mature enough to realize it was all a sham.

    Being "out" is so different, I do the right thing because I want to, not out of obligation.

  • Odrade
    Odrade

    Yeah, my judicial committee, though the brothers were "sincere," seemed very heavy on the side of wanting to know who else knew about my "sins." "did you tell anyone?" " did anyone see you?" blah blah blah over and over. LOL! Well, it wasn't funny at the time, it was deadly serious. I think the fact that no one knew was the determining factor of whether to df or reprove me. It really had little to do with their idea of repentance. Kind of sick when I think about it. O

  • G Money
    G Money

    My judicial meeting years ago made me think the brothers wanted to film a porno. They asked explicit details. I asked isn't it sufficient to say we had sex. They then wanted to know who went down on who, for how long, who came first, what positions and where. Well... I bet they all learned a few things!!!

    The guy asking was an old man and was funny. He probably never got any and had to live vicariously through me!

  • Poztate
    Poztate
    My judicial meeting years ago made me think the brothers wanted to film a porno. They asked explicit details. I asked isn't it sufficient to say we had sex. They then wanted to know who went down on who, for how long, who came first, what positions and where. Well... I bet they all learned a few things!!!

    I do know that in the 70"s if you were called into a "meeting" with the elders they did want to hear a "blow by blow " description of what went down. Looking back on it know I can see how sick the whole thing was.The WT was sick....is sick..... and will continue to be sick...

  • kitties_and_horses_oh_my!
    kitties_and_horses_oh_my!
    My judicial meeting years ago made me think the brothers wanted to film a porno. They asked explicit details. I asked isn't it sufficient to say we had sex. They then wanted to know who went down on who, for how long, who came first, what positions and where. Well... I bet they all learned a few things!!!


    What is the deal with that?? It's just really sick. Most of my friends who got married around the same time as Doc and I did went "too far" before their wedding night. So then you have this divide: the half of us who went too far and were smart enough/scared enough/or just not good enough dubs to say anything, and then the other half who felt like they had to confess and had the pleasure of giving every little detail to the elders. It's disgusting. Can you imagine if two teachers pulled an 17-yr old girl alone into a room and demanded details re: her sex life? I think the term applied would be either perverted or arrested - dirty old men at the very least. Yuck.

  • Poztate
    Poztate
    What is the deal with that?? It's just really sick.

    K&h...Yeah it is and was really sick.When we were in it seemed normal. It is only when we step back and see for the first time with a clear mind that we can see how perverted it was.

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