Just a thought-Has anyone ever wondered?

by redhotchilipepper 28 Replies latest jw friends

  • roybatty
    roybatty
    why on a daily basis God isn't "fixing" everything because that is the whole point of freedom.

    I never really bought into the whole "freedom" argument. At some point a loving God would have said "hmmmm...yeah, freedom is a good idea for beings that can handle it but these creatures I've made aren't ready for it." When my son turns 16, the plan is he'll take driving lessons and will soon thereafter be driving a car. He will be given a certain amount of freedom. This seems like a good idea based upon the facts up to this point. But if he starts crashing the car every time he drives it and endangers the lives of others (let alone his own), I'm going to step in and "fix" the situation. As his father, that's my responsibility. If we truly are the result of divine creation, God has the responsibility to fix what has been screwed up.

    I guess I haven't seen any evidence of God ever fixing anything. If God created everything, then it is by His actions that deadly viruses came about. But it has been men who have created medications for them.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    This reminds me of the episode of South Park where Cartman buys some "Sea Men" (Sea Monkeys). They grew into a vast and complex civilization as a result of his adding some semen to the Sea Men. (Don't ask )

    One side of the tank saw Cartman and made him their god while the other side saw Tweak and made him their god.

    Over time the two sides started fighting... first crude battles then suicide bombs and then mini-nuclear bombs and blew up the tank killing all of the Sea Men.

    Maybe the whole "god" thing is just a screw-up. Maybe people are fighting over a Cartman and Tweak!

  • candidlynuts
    candidlynuts

    back in the days when i attempted to write ( i really need a college edjykation).. i had a rough outline for a story about aliens coming to earth and wanting to fuck up the human race so they wrote the bible...(it was a comedy) ..

    honestly though on the topic... i feel like if the bible is inspired of God that it should be easier for mankind to know what He wants of us..then i think well if you cut out what RELIGION has pressed into your mind.. it is kind of simple.. love your neighbor, remember your creator and be grateful for what you have.

    any religion has agendas.. they either want power or money.. or both.

    so i've come to the conclusion that organized religion is not necessary to please God.. its more personal than membership in some religion. we live , we die and thats what has happened since the beginning of mankind. any belief in afterlife is just theory so dwelling on salvation after death seems pointless. i want to live my life happy, loving my family and friends, being a good neighbor and discussing God when i am asked to or have the opportunity. the scripture that says whenever 2 or more are talking about God He is there means a lot to me.it doesnt say whenever 2 or more are going door to door He is there..

  • Undecided
    Undecided

    Could it be that God has limits and he is away somewhere in the universe doing something else right now and will come back some day and check on his work? I know as much about God as I do about why gravity works.

    The more I think about God the more confussed I get.

    Ken P.

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    Yeah I have had thoughts like that. LOTS of thoughts.

    I feel " no facts " that there may be a - creator - sort of supreme being that is responsible for the creation of the universe, our planet and us.

    I doubt that this creator would be anything like the bible god. At least I hope he/she is nothing like the god of the OLD testament.

    But it seems obvious that he/she does not feel responsible for our well being. It seems we are on our own, at least while in this body.

    Is there a payoff after this life? Like a spirit body? Then a reincarnation? Or maybe the spirit goes on to a higher level of existance?

    Unanswerable questions?

    Outoftheorg

  • eyeslice
    eyeslice
    Maybe he only wants to know each and every one of us intimately and privately?

    I think you may be right my friend. I would like to believe this myself. It seems that this logic is more akin to to the teachings of Christ than the WTB&TS.

    May God bless us all in his search for him.

    Eyeslice

  • Valis
    Valis

    God is dead. "Died and fell into the sea."

    rhcp this is a great book and a funny read.

  • City Fan
    City Fan

    Brenda -

    just loved that comment!

    CF.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    I'm not very far from this idea somehow.

    I don't believe in "God" if it has to mean "Creator", "First Cause", "Provider" or "Great Architect" (and according to the dictionary it has to, or it is not "God"). I would reject the theistic or deistic "God" alike.

    Yet I am fascinated by prayer. People prayed to the gods, spirits, "demons" (a positive word in classical Greek) long before the idea of "God" (capitals intended) came up. According to some Ancient Near East scholars, in addition to the national or natural gods and goddesses there was a sort of "personal god" to each individual, family or clan. When Israel shifted from polytheism to monotheism the prayers did not change. Monotheistic Christian believers today can easily pray the Psalms, although some of them come right from the polytheistic period. Even now people who don't believe in God anymore still pray sometimes -- I do.

    Whom are we addressing in prayer? Nobody really, but we still do. We have to posit "someone" listening when nobody listens. That's exactly what I understand in Matthew's statement "pray to your Father who is in secret". We have to posit "someone" winking to us when we take fortuitous events as personal "signs" -- as we all do sometimes. We have to posit "someone" speaking when we address ourselves in the second person. This non-being is, I guess, an essential "spot" in our symbolical structure.

    In the middle ages there was a minority current among theologians (Meister Eckhart being probably the most famous) according to which everything that could be said about God (including his "essence" or "existence") was radically inadequate: it is known as "negative" or "apophatic" theology. This current can be related to ancient Gnostic views (in which the true God was not the Creator) as well as Eastern philosophies (Buddhism, for instance). It was close to atheism really, albeit with a spiritual dimension which most post-Christian atheism misses.

    The impossibility of knowing the "god" of prayer, together with the certainty of being known by "him", is beautifully expressed in Psalm 139:

    O LORD, you have searched me and known me.
    You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
    you discern my thoughts from far away.
    You search out my path and my lying down,
    and are acquainted with all my ways.
    Even before a word is on my tongue,
    O LORD, you know it completely.
    You hem me in, behind and before,
    and lay your hand upon me.
    Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
    it is so high that I cannot attain it.
    Where can I go from your spirit?
    Or where can I flee from your presence?
    If I ascend to heaven, you are there;
    if I make my bed in Sheol, you are there.
    If I take the wings of the morning
    and settle at the farthest limits of the sea,
    even there your hand shall lead me,
    and your right hand shall hold me fast.
    If I say, "Surely the darkness shall cover me,
    and the light around me become night,"
    even the darkness is not dark to you;
    the night is as bright as the day,
    for darkness is as light to you.
    For it was you who formed my inward parts;
    you knit me together in my mother's womb.
    I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
    Wonderful are your works;
    that I know very well.
    My frame was not hidden from you,
    when I was being made in secret,
    intricately woven in the depths of the earth.
    Your eyes beheld my unformed substance.
    In your book were written
    all the days that were formed for me,
    when none of them as yet existed.
    How weighty to me are your thoughts, O God!
    How vast is the sum of them!
    I try to count them--they are more than the sand;
    I come to the end--I am still with you.
  • BrendaCloutier
    BrendaCloutier

    CF - that comes from Buddhism, and perpetuated the many New Age idealisms. I do believe in reincarnation and karma. My experiences more than proof, have taught me these things.

    Hugs

    Bren

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