Ah. But the POINT of me bringing up the extra-biblical sources was to indicate that the story is not inherently self-contradictory.
It contradicts itself if you know anything about linguistics, and if one includes the Eden story in the narrative space it makes them as consistant and logical as the science on Star Trek.
It was to indicate that Nimrod's empire, mythical as I agree it was, was held together by the thinnest of threads to begin with - as can be seen by the "fact" that he was murdered.
Yeah, again, you are quoting non-canonical sources when the canonical source is garbage. The original story if hogwash in its own right, it doesn't need apocraphal hogwash to make it hogwash.
Hence, any building projects undertaken by his empire were probably put on immediate hold in the ensuing power struggle following the language "silly buggers".
Impossible or unlikely or mythical as it may be - it is not narratively contradictory to state that a language separation would lead to the disintegration of a civilization.
As I explained, any knowledge of linguistics and how people who don't have a mutually comprehensible language can communicate and work together can see the story is ludicrous. You can give examples of polyglot communities that disperse rather than blend if you wish to disprove my assertion.
If one looks at one of the largest examples of an ancient polyglot culture, the Roman Empire, it is notable that all but the outer reaches of the Roman Empire now speak varients of Latin. Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian and Romanian all come from Latin and have diverged over time having replaced the original languages of the area during the rule of the Roman Empire.
People would stay where they were, stay friends with the people they were friends with, and cope. Either one language would predominate and people would learn it, or a pidgin would develop and from that a creole would spring.
To clarify your stand since you indicated you where stoned or was joking at it.
Oh, my ability to determine fact from fiction and narrative from metaphor is surprisingly unaffected by cannabis.
You don't bother to analyse the reasons I outlined that bring me to that conclusion, but just disagree.
I sure did, the Bible also contains the story of Christ who does represent Jah of armies and in no way does he reflect what you assert.
If the Bible contains (as I contend and which you have not refutted in any way) total fairy stories, how do you know where the fairy stories in the Bible stop and 'reality' begins?
Show me how silly and wrong my assertions are.
Your assumptions about me are actually pretty silly and wrong at best.
Evasion; I am talking about the assertions I made regarding the reliability of the Biblical Babel story. I have no interest in attacking you personally. Defend the story you are saying is true. Just saying it is true is inadequate unless you will say that you believe through faith and facts don't matter.
Oh, and what does the fact that anyone can do this mean? Could you answer that for me please? What I am getting is is what proof is there that you, or the Pope, or Fred, or anyone is right, if we can all have our own interpretation.Well if your interpretation agrees with the truth or Christ then that would be the right interpretation I would say.
Evasion; how do you know what the 'truth' is or what Christ's opinion of the accuracy of your interpretation is? That is as much open to personal interpretation as the meaning of the Babel story.
You know perfectly well that there are diagreements over even the fundamentals of belief amongst Christians. If Christianity is the truth, why is it practised in so many different and often contradictory forms? Why can god not ensure the message is delivered clearly?
You are alleging that an entity who makes a Universe of bewildering complexity cannot communicate clearly with human beings. This is illogical.I am alleging just the opposite, seems like you are demanding to much from only a book.
If you are claiming the Bible is only a book, how come you put faith in it? I understood you thought the Bible was a literal and relaible guide to gods will and the Earth's history, if this is not the case please clarify. Otherwise, please show me signs of clear communication from god. This should be (to fulfil the criteria of clear) verifiable events or instructive texts with a good provenance that have not resulted in Christian's squabbling over the meaning. Until then you are just claiming god communicates clearly without any evidence.
Classic presuppositionalistic answer. The Bible is true, therefore those who cannot see the truth have something wrong with their heart. How curious that the Bible has taught you to insult and judge people you don't even know; my study of its latter portions indicate this is not how it advises people to act.How have I insulted you? Your the one that said God is an Asshole in the Bible and I whole heartedly disagree. Then again I did say the Bible has a way of reflecting the heart, your heart.
You clearly implied one's interpretation of the Bible depends on ones 'heart', and that obviously therefore there is something wrong with my heart if I don't get it right. Are you at least honest enough to accept that this is insinuating and insulting? "If you don't agree with me it is because you are bad" is what I understood from your statements.
As for 'god is an asshole', you are being (unsuprisingly) too literal. If god exists the silly, childish concept of god as outlined in the Bible is very unlikely to be accurate. The god of the Bible is obviously a human invention because it behaves like a big human.
It curses humans with mortality and pain for exercising freewill, and then tells humans to see if they can survive without god. Then, it confuses their languages when human actually begin to work together without god.
Are those the actions of anything worthy of worship? Now, rather than wondering about whether the Bible really is a true depiction of the Earth's history and god's desires (as there are many clues like the Babel story that show how ever good the intentions of the writers were it can in no way claim dvine inspiration UNLESS god is a asshole), you jump on the 'insult'. If there is a god I am defending it from being associated with innane brone age myths.
If you think about it I am mocking the childish conception of a possible god many people have; a petty thing needful of our worship.
Worship that god or show me the Bible consistantly depicts god as something different, something great and wise and fair. And god saying he's wise and fair isn't good enough. Show me from the text.
If what you claim is true you should have no problem.
It seems you've already come to an absolute determination of your own rightness. If this is the case I doubt if there's further worth in conversing with you. I have not really made any claim to knowing rightness; I have however outlined obvious areas of wrongness. Refute them, deal with them or ignore them as you will.Not at all. Rightness comes from God through Christ is what I have faith in.
Evasion. How do you know you are right?
"Those persuaded by naturalism believe these stories are widespread because the Indians learned them from missionaries. There are several reasons why this explanation fails. (1) The first missionaries recorded some of these stories.
That claim would require proof. 1909 claims are not proof.
(2) The Indians often distinguish between the traditions of their ancestors and those of the white man.
'Often' is not proof of the story.
(3) The heart of the Christian message is Christ, who is non-existent in Indian mythology, and
This is not proof of the story.
(4) great exaggerations speak of long ages, which would predate missions to the American continents."
This is not proof of the story.
Lots of other facts that refute your literalistic belief in the Bible for you to ignore. It's interesting that (in addition to the Great Pyramid being standing at the time of the Flood, along with bristlecone pines that were growing then are still growing which you ignore) you will also have to ignore there wasn't enough time for the civilisations and populations of Egypt and the fertile crescent to develop IF one assumes the dates were out by a bit and the Pyramids don't pre-date the Flood.