Capitalism has an agenda?
Every ideology has an agenda, as does every political and social venture.
Do you believe for example that the many socialists who gave their lives in the past in the USA to secure a dignified status for workers, a status now enjoyed by many of the most rabid proponents of capitalism, were acting on the whims of propaganda? Or in fact has socialism actually bought some healthy changes to the capitalist agenda?
I did not frame this to evoke an emotional reaction, if it reads this way I offer my apologies. I presented a historical fact that you largely left unanswered. Many socialists gave their lives in the USA during the 1920's, some were executed by private 'armies', others by the state for forming and protecting workers unions, I am sure you are aware of this. I used this as an example of how the socialism has actually bought change for the good, even to a capitalist society by rising against what is seen as injustice. These changes for the better of all were wraught by persons who were either victims of 'propaganda' as you suggest, or people who were actually fighting 'in the right'. I see no other choices.
Many people sacrificed for the "cause" and trade unions were developed and the "rights" of the under class were brought to the forefront of political awareness.
Terry, I know that you are aware that socialism was one of the main movements fighting for these changes internationally. The 'many people' that you allude to were mainly socialists. Look at the history of the Trade Unions internationally, trace their roots.
During the thirties and forties and part of the fifites in the U.S. many intellectuals embraced socialism and pointed to Russia as the fulfillment of the ideal society; the CLASSLESS society. They were hoodwinked, of course. Their ideology blinded them. Under Joseph Stalin over 30 million people died on whim and nothing more! But, people even loved him for that! None are so blind as those who will not see.
Of course Socialism, and Communism have always been different ideologies. Marxism eventually evolved from Communism into a different ideology again. They need to be analysed as seperate entities, despite having common roots, as does Fascism, the ugly face of right wing Capitalism. I think it was Lenin who said, "Fascism is capitalism in decay".
Who am I to judge? I'd say it was a great deal of blood spilled and leave it at that. The people who claim benefit will herald the sacrifices and the people who pay for the benefits will complain.
Well, you certainly have no issue judging socialism and communism, why are you not prepared to judge the sacrifices made by socialists to protect your interests as a worker as being worthy?
I tend to enflame people I've noticed!
I had not noticed this. Your posts always seem well measured, why they should elucidate 'flames' is puzzling though not suprising. These boards are a little like prodding sleeping bears sometimes.
Best regards, from atop Mount Everest - HS