Gambling

by onacruse 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Talked with a friend this afternoon, and an interesting hypocrisy was pointed out to me:

    The WTS strongly discourages gambling with money (I think it's still a DFing offense), but they're more than willing to tell people things that make you gamble with your life.

    And when you lose that gamble: if it's just money that you lost, they say "what did you expect?" If it's 'just' a big piece of your life that you lost, on their advice, they diss it off as it's "new light" or "we never actually said that."

    They discourage you from pissing away a little fun money, and expect you to piss away your entire life for their stupid ideology.

    Craig (of the "nickle-slot" class, and glad for it)

  • one_ugly_time
    one_ugly_time

    I've been playing cards on-line alot lately... I end up losing money, but chat alot, laugh alot, vent frustration, and scream and holler when I win... even though it will be gone in a few minutes...

    Such is gambling for fun... much rather do that and feel like I am living than gambling with my life and feel like I am dying, suffocating, starving...

    You can place statistical numbers on nearly every event in life... so tell me, how much did they gamble when they bought the house in the hills, or the stock, or.... Gambling is a state of mind... if it is pleasure and the odds are intelligently utilized, then gambling at a casino is far better than most "approved" stock "investments"...

    And like I said... This is life... we are fortunate to live in today's age of worldwide travel... and would argue that gambling is this generations "natural language" when traveling world wide... vs the by-gone years of music being the natural language...

    My 0.02 cents gambled away over the course of about 10 minutes...

    ugly

  • minimus
    minimus

    The Watchtower feels that following the "Slave" is really an investment. "Just wait on Jehovah".

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    one_ugly_life,

    : My 0.02 cents gambled away over the course of about 10 minutes...

    Which is the entire value of the relevance of your reply to the topic of this thread.






    Nice nick.


    Farkel

  • gumby
    gumby
    If it's 'just' a big piece of your life that you lost, on their advice, they diss it off as it's "new light" or "we never actually said that."

    Kinda like saying you could divorce your mate years ago if they had oral sex with you and you didn't want to. Think of the poor lonely husbands who's dub wives dumped their ass, then later the society says divorce for oral sex is only scriptural OUTSIDE of the marriage.

    They discourage you from pissing away a little fun money, and expect you to piss away your entire life for their stupid ideology.

    Ever see a dub at the fair or carnival piss off money tryin to win a big stuffed teddybear? Isn't trying to win a teddybear at the fair gambling? Why isn't it? You pay money to TRY and win.....with no guarantee you'll win anything. You piss off money! Same difference.

    Gumby

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    My Mother in law , used to love to play bingo before she became a witness. She would get so pissed off over the fact that the WT could in her words......"play the stock market". Well, that is a gamble too isnt? I believe she is right on about that.

    Back to Craig's point.....

    They discourage you from pissing away a little fun money, and expect you to piss away your entire life for their stupid ideology.
    It's it amazing how silly it all is , the WT's reasonings on things?? especially now that we stand back and see all of their backwards reasonings? I just shake my head in disgust that I was part of that for so long.
  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Dede:

    I just shake my head in disgust that I was part of that for so long.

    I was talking with my business partner, and long-time never-a-JW friend, about this just this afternoon.

    It wasn't a matter of choice for many of us; did out Dad or Mom ask us when we were 5 years old "Do you want to be a JW? Do you want to be a Mormon? Do you want to be a Buddhist? Do you not want to be in any religion?"

    And even if they had asked us such questions, what would we have said? "Oh, yes, I've studied Joseph Smith carefully and thoroughly, and I've decided, after deep deliberation, that I want to be a Mormon, and not a JW." (Oh, and btw, I'm only 5-years old).

    Dede, my dear, there's no need to beat yourself up about this. It wasn't our fault.

    But, courageously facing the obvious contradictions of the religious conceptions by which we were raised (involuntarily), now that we're adults...that's a freeing experience: and that's why I still need to have others point out to me such obvious contradictions.

    "Gosh, I never thought of that!"

  • XQsThaiPoes
    XQsThaiPoes

    Can't be a dfing offense because an elder on the podium joked about slipping pocket change into the slots on a trip to vegas after he got drunk. Everyone laughted and nothing happend. I think they only DF you for a gambling addiction, appearing to gamble frequently, or your gambling stumbling others. They probally will mark you. I mean look at drunkeness when is the last time you ever seen anyone DFed for drunkeness.

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    XQ, consider the following:

    *** w02 11/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***

    Questions From Readers

    Is it wrong to bet if only small amounts of money are involved?

    God?s Word does not discuss gambling in detail, but it does say enough to show that all gambling is incompatible with Bible principles. For instance, it is widely acknowledged that gambling incites greed. That fact alone is an important consideration for Christians, since the Bible states that "greedy persons" will not inherit God?s Kingdom and classes covetousness with idolatry.?1 Corinthians 6:9, 10; Colossians 3:5.

    Gambling also incites egotism and an unhealthy competitive spirit, a strong desire to win. The apostle Paul warned against such things when he wrote: "Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another." (Galatians 5:26) Further, gambling encourages in some a superstitious reliance on good luck. Gamblers develop all kinds of superstitions, hoping to influence luck in their favor. They remind us of the unfaithful Israelites who were "setting in order a table for the god of Good Luck and those filling up mixed wine for the god of Destiny."?Isaiah 65:11.

    Some might reason that betting small amounts of money while playing a friendly card or board game with relatives or close friends is no more than innocent entertainment. True, someone who bets a small amount of money may not view himself as greedy, egotistical, competitive, or superstitious. Still, what effect could his gambling have on the ones he is gambling with? Many compulsive gamblers began by making petty bets ?just for fun.? (Luke 16:10) A seemingly innocent diversion turned out to be something far more sinister in their case.

    That is especially true where children are concerned. Many children have felt the excitement of winning a small bet and have been tempted to go for larger sums. (1 Timothy 6:10) A long-term study published in the United States by the Arizona Council on Compulsive Gambling confirms that many gambling addicts began at an early age "by placing small bets on sporting events or playing cards with friends or relatives." Another report says that "children start gambling at home, usually at card games with family and friends." The report adds that "thirty percent of children who gambled started doing so before their eleventh birthday." Many teenage gamblers finance their addiction with crime or immorality, according to the study Why Do People Gamble Too Much?Pathological and Problem Gambling. What a tragic consequence of something that may have seemed at first to be harmless!

    Since we are living in a world that already has too many snares and temptations, why unnecessarily expose ourselves to yet another? (Proverbs 27:12) Gambling?with or without children present, for small or for large sums?endangers spirituality and should be avoided. Christians who enjoy board or card games as recreation would be better advised to keep a penciled score or to play the game simply for fun without keeping score. Wise Christians who care about their own spirituality as well as that of their friends and family avoid the practice of gambling?even for small sums of money.

    Now, they don't come right out and say that gambling is a DFing offense, and, like you, I'm aware of certain congregations that have a, shall we say, somewhat more tolerant opinion about gambling. One that I know of even had a "Group A" and "Group B" bunch of elders...there was a tacit agreement between A and B that A wouldn't rat out B, as long as B was 'discreet.'

    But if push came to shove, what do you think would happen?

    The main point being that gambling with money is insignificant when compared to gambling with the lives, and livelihoods, of human beings, "made in the likeness of God" and nevertheless wantonly disabused by the fantasies and and self-dissembling excuses of hallucinating old men who consume too much saltpeter.

    Craig

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    No limit Texas Hold Em - now that is a game

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