I never knew

by Bubbamar 28 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Bubbamar
    Bubbamar

    I recently bought a Bible after not having one or cracking one open for 18 years. It's amazing how different it is now. I thought it was all mumbo jumbo contradictions and insane ramblings. (okay - some of it is) Today I read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis. I never knew the story of Lot's 2 daughters getting him drunk and having sex with him and having children for him. And Lot didn't know it happened...Yea right! So am I to understand that whatever the people in S/G were doing was worse than incest?? UGH! And Lot's wife was turned into a piller of salt for looking back at her burning home, friends and family. Grrrr. And Lot skates by, drunk and happily laid by his 2 beautiful daughters. Ugh!! Again!!

    Also....why wasn't this story in our nice little bible story book?? Tehehe Can you imagine the WT pictures depicting that?!?!

    Am I the only one who doesn't get it??

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    Yeah Bubba I never got that story either. I always thought Lot's wife had a moment of weakness, afraid of what laid ahead of her running away like that leaving behind the only home she had. I personally thought it was a little harsh.

    I can not understand why Lot could not have found some other women other than his own daughters to give him children. As if he really needed more children to populate the earth anyway......

    BTW, I love your avatar , I have a fawn Pug.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    Here are a "few" more goodies for ya....

    http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

  • shamus
    shamus

    The bible is just horseshit anyways. Face it. Unfortunately, you wasted your good hard-earned money on a book of violent fairy-tales.

  • ezekiel3
    ezekiel3

    From the horse's mouth: WT 1972 5/15 Questions from Readers

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    Did God condone Lot?s getting drunk and fathering sons by his own daughters??U.S.A.

    The answer to this question must be determined in the light of the background of this incident and in relation to other scriptures.

    Lot and his two daughters were the only persons to survive the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. After this destruction they began residing in the city of Zoar. However, for some reason Lot was afraid to continue dwelling there and, with his daughters, took up residence in a cave. (Ignoring the angels' advice to go to the mountains.) (Gen. 19:30) Thereafter the firstborn said to her younger sister: "Our father is old and there is not a man in the land to have relations with us according to the way of the whole earth. Come, let us give our father wine to drink and let us lie down with him and preserve offspring from our father."?Gen. 19:31, 32.

    The fact that they sought to get their father intoxicated suggests that they realized he would never have consented to having sexual relations with them in a sober state. (How drunk do you have to be?) But under the circumstances, they felt that this was the only way to prevent the extinction of Lot?s family. They were aliens in the land and there was no one of their kindred with whom they could enter into marriage and thus preserve the family line. (Not like Abraham and Sarah who waited on Jehovah, Oh wait, didn't Abraham screw his slave girl? Never mind...) It should also be remembered that Lot?s daughters had resided among the morally debased inhabitants of Sodom. In view of these factors, it would not have been difficult for them to justify their course of action in their own minds. Why, then, does the account appear in the Scriptures?

    The narrative is not presented in the Bible to stimulate erotic thoughts. (Listen up JW pedophiles!) It is there for a purpose, revealing the relationship of the Moabites and Ammonites to the descendants of Abraham who became known as Israelites. Lot being a nephew of Abraham, the Israelites were related to the Moabites and Ammonites, who descended from the two sons that Lot produced by means of his daughters. (Gen. 11:27) Later this fleshly relationship came to govern Israel?s actions in dealing with the Moabites and Ammonites. For example, in their taking over the land east of the Jordan River, the Israelites, under divine orders, were careful not to trespass on the landholdings of the Ammonites and Moabites.?Deut. 2:9, 18, 19, 37.

    Is any sincere reader of the Bible left in doubt as to the conclusion that is to be drawn from this account concerning Lot and his daughters? Is he made to feel that such conduct is, perhaps, approved by God?

    It is true that in Genesis chapter 19 the historical facts are conveyed without any comment respecting God?s approval or disapproval of Lot?s twice committing incest in an intoxicated state. (How many times can an old man perform in a drunken bout? Wait! Does this mean there were 2 witnesses?) But in later portions of the Bible record, God?s condemnation of drunkenness is clearly stated again and again. (Prov. 20:1; 23:20, 21, 29-35; 1 Cor. 6:9, 10) Likewise, in his Law to Israel, God later made clear his prohibition of incest, saying: "You people must not come near, any man of you, to any close fleshly relative of his to lay bare nakedness. . . . The nakedness of your father and the nakedness of your mother you must not lay bare." (Lev. 18:6, 7) The penalty for violating the law on incest was death. (Lev. 18:29) While Lot and his daughters were not under the Law, they were, nevertheless, aware of the impropriety of having relations with their own father, as shown by the fact that they first got him intoxicated.

    Why, then, is Lot called a "righteous man," at 2 Peter 2:8? Not because God approved of his getting drunk, nor because God approved of incest. God did not approve such conduct. But it should be noted that there is nothing in the record to indicate that Lot was a habitual drunkard, nor was he habitually involved in acts of incest. (All in moderation, a little wine, a little girl...)His reputation was that of a "righteous man," and this reputation he had with God, who examines the heart. Lot deplored the "lawless deeds" of the people of Sodom. And, evidently, for the Examiner of hearts to view him as righteous, Lot must also have grieved over the wrong conduct in which he himself got involved.

    The inclusion of the information about Lot and his daughters in the Scriptural record should really help us to appreciate that the Bible is a book of truth. Even when persons who were known as God?s servants became involved in improper acts, the Bible does not conceal this. However, at all times such things are recounted, not to entertain or to stimulate a desire to indulge in immoral conduct, but to provide a background for understanding other events.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    Yup, once again it was the little girl who seduced the pedophile.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Don't forget the story in Judges 19 where a Levite and his concubine stayed with a man and his "virgin" daughter. Good for nothing men came around and want the homeowner to send out the Levite for a fun night. Instead the man offered his daughter and the concubine. The men took the concubine and gang raped her all night until she died. Then her owner cut her up in 12 pieces and scattered her in the fields.

  • Emma
    Emma

    How was it that we could make these things OK in our own minds and hearts? It's frightening that I could have read and studied these verses and not been absolutely repulsed.

    Emma

  • shamus
    shamus
    Instead the man offered his daughter and the concubine. The men took the concubine and gang raped her all night until she died. Then her owner cut her up in 12 pieces and scattered her in the fields.

    A beautiful book, no?

    The quote that made me know that the bible is just horseshit was from the Dali Lama. He said "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". When you really read that garbage you find that it is just horseshit.

    If the bible is true, and god wants me to worship him, he can just snuff me out like a cigarette butt.

    There was an excellent website that made fun of bible passages all done with pictures and pieces of lego. This was one of the passages in there. If anyone still has the website, please post it. It is worth a good belly-laugh.

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