JW Pedophiles as early as 1970?

by Amazing 12 Replies latest jw friends

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    At my first District Convention in Oakland, CA at the Raiders Stadium, I was eager to help out in anyway I could. Back in 1970 it was still easier to get assignments when you were just baptized or even before baptism. They did n't get as serious about assignements until aftyer the Elder arrabgement was announced in 1971 and employed in 1972.

    It was 1970 ... mid summer ... July. I was baptized with my then Fiance' at one of the largest JW baptisms outside the big one in 1958. There were about 750 baptized, and it hit the San Francisco newspapers.

    I was primed! Armageddon by 1975! We have got to get the word out man! As the Society said, times are urgent! So, what can I do as a newly baptized JW? Stay with my lovely Fiance' and enjoy my time with her? Oh nooooo! I have to volunteer!

    1. I enjoyed three assignments. Handing out hand bills at the close of the day, the one where I was accused of spreading apostate literature by an idiot. The head of the attendant dept and lit dept finally straightened it out. The JW who accused me was an Attendant. He would not read the handbill to make sure it was from the Society. So he just assumed it was apostate. Why? No one told the Attendant Dept. that handbills were being handed out. I should have gotten a clue right then that this religion was going to be a problem.

    2. I got to walk around with little tiny signs, holding them up to my chest, that said, "QUIET PLEASE!" and making the gesture of a finger to my lips which suggsted talking in a low voice or not talking at all.

    Where do Pedophiles come in then?

    3. When I was done with the Quiet Sign during the Session, I went to the Attendant Dept. and asked if there was anything else I could do. I was happey with the sign job, but I wanted to do something else in the next session. Soooooo ...

    I asked to be an Attendant and do the count during the session. The Attendant head said that counting was a serious assignment that I was not ready for yet. Uhmmm ... I could count empty seats! But he said that was a job for brothers with more expeience in the truth, likely one who is already a Servant. Okay, is there anything else?

    The Dept head said that I could Walk the bathrooms during session Walk the what? The bathrooms! You know what we mean don't you? No, I don't? Is that wherew I count attendance? Kind of like a less serious job than counting the larger seating sections. Fewer people, more likely that I will not screw up the count? He said no, that is not what we mean. Oh, then what do you mean?

    We want you to count the number of feet in the stalls! Count feet? You mean I need a tape measure to count the available square feet of a stall? No, stupid, the number of human feet! Ohhhh, I see. And when I count feet, what do I do then? You report any case where there are more than two feet in a stall to the nearest Attendant! Ahhhhhh ...

    And what does the Attendant do with this information? gee yu ask a lot of questions. The Attandant will go in and knock on the stall and see who answers and ask what is going on. Ahhh ... what could be going on beside the obvious number 1 or 2?

    The Attendant chief said that sometimes it is a father helping a child to go to the bathroom. Sometimes, it is homosexuals doing things that should not, or someone trying to molest a child.

    Molest a child at a JW convention? What? Bathrooms? Number of feet? You see, he said, sometime 'new ones' still studying and just getting started in Jehovah's organization do not fully understand the 'Truth' and may be doing things they should not. More likely, it is 'Worldly' people.

    What do you do then? If the attendant suspects any wrong conduct, he ask the people to leave the convention and gets another Attendant to help escort them out. Nothing else? No, there is nothig else we can do!

    I should have turned tail and run like hell, but I counted feet. I am happy to report that I saw only two feet per stall. But, even then, in 1970, the JWs were noticing a problem with peodphiles, and knew where they could possibly catch them. Although I did not see this, the Attendant head told me that the day before they caught a teenage couple having sex in one of the bathrooms. I guess that is what Francios meant about going to conventions to get laid.

    1970! Over the years I served off and on between the Food Service Dept., Accounting, Attendance, and somtimes the Stage and SOund system when they had need for an electrical engineer and discovered that the Brother who was a car salesman was not as knowledgeable about some things as they thought.

    Whenever I worked in the Attendant dept., they still mentioned counting feet from time to time. When I moved to the Pacific Northwest I don't recall feet being mentioned anymmore. That may have just beeen a California thing. But the whole issue goes to show that the WTS was at least aware of pedophiles at conventions, and had developed a way to handle it ... just nicely ask them to leave the conventnion. Why? because the SOciety likes to boast that they do not need POLICE at conventions. Let the pedophiles and purse snatchers in, but keep the COPS out! Might spoils our CLEAN IMAGE!

    Amazing

  • humble
    humble

    This is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. The attendant overseer must have been an idiot, or you are exagerating. All I know is that it was never an instruction from the Society. I've been involved with Convention arrangements long enough to know that it wasn't.

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    No Humble, it is not the stupidest thing. It is what happened! It is what I was instructed to do! I later asked the brother who studied with me, and he confirmed that multiple feet in the bathrooms was a problem. I did not say it was a problem elsewhere, or universal to the entire organization. But, in the San Francisco California Bay Area it was a problem, such that the Head of the Attendant Department found it necessary to have feet in stalls counted. I did not embellish this account on bit. This is exactly what happened. I made a note of it in my JW Scrape Book I recently dug out. [This is the one where I pasted in the original Convention Program for memory lane.] At the time I was more humored, but looking back, I can understand this better in perspective. [I relayed this account partly because of the humorous things that happened, like the handbill incident, and partly because of how the JWs handle molesters at conventions.] - AMAZING

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    Amazing,

    My dad was a volunteer in Hawaii. I still remember him telling me he had to count feet in the bathroom there. (He was newly baptized and not able to count the rows in the auditorium until he was an MS.) I remember thinking it funny...picturing my dad looking under the stalls with his little notepad and pencil. Haha!

    Humble,

    Just because you didn't experience it, doesn't mean it DIDN'T happen or that the direction didn't at least come from LOCAL elders. If the attendant overseer did give that direction, it's quite a harsh statement to say that he's an IDIOT, isn't it? What about Romans 12:10 that says to "love one another with brotherly affection"? Is your comment about a fellow brother a loving comment?

    Sometimes I wonder if you really are a Brother as you claim, as your comments and questions are sometimes very un-loving and harsh. If you are a brother, do you feel that speaking that way is going to attract people to the organization? Are you bringing glory to Jehovah in your words and actions? Just something to think about...

    Billygoat

  • nelly136
    nelly136

    .<<He would not read the handbill to make sure it was from the Society. So he just assumed it was apostate. Why? No one told the Attendant Dept. that handbills were being handed out. I should have gotten a clue right then that this religion was going to be a problem>>.

    this has got me in stitches, if no one knew you were supposed to be handing out handbills then how many people knew you were supposed to be 'counting feet' ....just wondering how many men went home talking about the dodgy geezer hanging around in the toilets peering under the doors
    nelly

  • humble
    humble

    Please, no more capital letters, I have a headache. Put those capital letters back in your pocket, or I will be forces to take out my capital letters.

    Billygoat:

    You give excellent counsel. Now apply it to yourself as you talk against your former brothers.

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Humble: Okey-dokey ... I will reformat the post to remove the capital letters. Ahh ... yes, I was a little put out with your response ... the assumption that if you didn't experience it, then it must be wrong or embellished. I have heard experiences I have not had. I find some hard to believe, but I can only give the benefit of the doubt to the peson telling the account. And, Humble, it appears that BillyGoat was able to confirm that in Hawaii the same thing happened. - Amazing

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    Humble,

    Thank you for the compliment. But can you tell me what I've said that is disparaging to my former brothers? I do everything I can to state only facts that I've experienced and not speak badly of others, whether JW or now.

    I feel like you're accusing me of something I don't think I've done. If I have spoken badly of my former brothers, please quote me on it and I'll give my deepest apologies. Otherwise, I will accept another apology if you'd like to give it.

    Billygoat

  • Pork Chop
    Pork Chop

    Man, I've been an Attendant a lot and that's a new one on me. Must be a geographic thing. Never heard about the qualifications to count either.

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Amazing,

    On a lighter note, someone on H20 once posted a pic from a publication that showed a group of 7 disciples all in long robes, but the feet showing numbered 16. Or something like that.

    Englishman.

    ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

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