Terence Mckenna and Johnathan Ott on Etheogens

by frankiespeakin 12 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  frankiespeakin

  Link to a library of talks on psychedelics and what not:
  

  http://mckenna.psychedelic-library.org/
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  Markfromcali

  What kind of what-nots..?
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  frankiespeakin

  There are talks by others on related subjects,,the themes are all listed click on the different ones to see further..
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  frankiespeakin

  Here's an interesting link on how to get the most benifit from trip:

  http://www.psychedelic-library.org/stolarof.htm

  THE TRAINED USER

  There appears to be a cosmic law that says that giving our complete attention to an object, image, or idea with constancy, patience, and acceptance will allow its different attributes to unfold. Psychedelics greatly accelerate this process. To operate most effectively, the observer must have developed the ability to hold his mind steady so he can watch the process develop. Large doses can push one so hard that it is most difficult to do this. Therefore the best results are achieved by a "trained user"?a person who has learned to manage high doses of psychedelics, or who has learned to hold his mind steady enough to observe his inner process competently. As a user clears up his "inner stuff," he gains more freedom in directing his experience. At this stage, higher doses can be profitably used to penetrate deeper into the nature of Reality.
  Interestingly, this concept of the trained user does not appear in the literature. But it is precisely the trained user who can best take advantage of the unfathomed range of wisdom and understanding contained in the far reaches of the mind. There seems to be no limit to the dimensions of understanding that can be experienced by the explorer who has the courage, integrity, and skill to navigate them. With integrity, and with the support of appropriate disciplines and friends, one can bring back a great deal for the betterment of oneself and mankind.
  Are psychedelics necessary? Can't these same explorations be conducted by those who have mastered the skills of meditation? No doubt they can?with an enormous investment of time and effort. But it is unlikely that many Westerners will be willing to make such a commitment. For Western seekers, whose spiritual practice must usually be integrated with making a living, the proper use of psychedelics can considerably accelerate the process. However, it is not a path for everyone. Choice should be based on full knowledge of the factors involved.
  Psychedelics are not a shortcut, as it is of little value to sidetrack important experiences. If enlightenment requires resolution of unconscious material (and my personal experience indicates that it does), those who aspire to such achievement must carefully consider the pace and intensity with which they are willing to encounter this vast range of dynamics. The psychedelic path, while much more intense than many other disciplines, is in a sense easier because it often provides an earlier and more profound contact with the numinous. Such contact inspires commitment and opens the door to more grace in surmounting uncomfortable material.
  If our commitment is truly to the well-being and happiness of all sentient beings, then it is reasonable to study all useful tools for accomplishing these ends. Psychedelics, used with good motivation, skill, and integrity, can contribute much toward easing the pain and suffering of the world while giving access to wisdom and compassion for spiritual development.
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  Satanus

  Frankiespeakin

  I agree w the last post. All in all, that clip sounds a bit like shamanic practice. Learning meditation before indulging is one training that helps. Meditation enables a person to keep his focus, despite distractions, although he can follow another trail, if he so chooses. Also, spacing between indulgences is important, imo.

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  Nathan Natas

  Mckenna died of brain cancer, didn't he?

  yeah, those herbs are good for you. Loaded with vitamins, man.
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  frankiespeakin

  NN,

  So are you implying that Terences brain tumor was caused by etheogens???
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  Nathan Natas

  No, no, no, of course not. Like I said, those herbs have vitamins in them.

  Mckenna was probably the victim of some CIA/FBI/NSA death ray, dontchathink?
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  frankiespeakin

  SS,

  Yeah shamamisum has been the oldest religion and there are theories that link up man's consciousness with etheogenic plant use. These plants do give one a consciousnes of parts of the mind that are unconscious,,in the most of us,,which can be very good if you can make it thru the shadow.
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  Nathan Natas

  I have to chuckle.

  Why are you addressing your reply to Saint Satan, who has not yet commented in this thread?

  You are making my case for me, dude.