Is Jesus inferior because it says that He will "be subject" in 1 Cor 15:28?

by hooberus 38 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  hooberus

  "And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." 1 Corinthians 15:28
  

  The Watchower implies that since Jesus is said to be "subject" unto "him that put all things under him" that therefore Jesus is inferior to God, and the Trinity is thus not true. This reasoning assumes that being "subject" implies an inferior nature. However, in many other places persons are "subject" or in "subjection" to another with whom they share an equal nature. Christians which are equally human are to be "subject" one to another:

  "Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble." 1 Peter 5:5

  Wives are to be "subject" to their own hubands, yet this does not mean that a wife has an inferior nature to her husband. They are both equally human.
  

  "Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Ephesian 5: 24

  "Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;" 1 Peter 3:1

  "For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:" 1 Peter 3:5

  One human being "subject" or "in subjection" to another does not mean that they are inferior by nature to the other, likewise Jesus being subject to the Father does not mean that He has an inferior nature. 1 Corinthians 15:28 refers to Jesus as "the Son." An earthly son is equal to his father by nature, yet can be in subjection to his father without being inferior by nature. Likewise Jesus can be subject to his father, yet equal to his father by nature.
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  hooberus

  "Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing." Ephesian 5: 24

  It can be said that when a wife marries her husband that then she becomes subject to him. If this is so what is her position to him prior to marriage? Is she subject to him prior to marriage?

  Now look again at 1 Corinthians 15:28:

  "And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." 1 Corinthians 15:28

  The use of the terms "when" and "then" would seem to indicate that prior to the time of "all things" being subdued to the Son that He is not under the type of subjection described in 1 Corinthian 15:28.
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  hooberus

  It is also of interest that 1 Corinthians 15:27 (the verse prior to 15:28) is a quote from Psalm 8:6. Psalm 8:6 is about all things being put under mans feet. This is extremely damaging to the Watchtower claim that Jesus is an angel by nature. (the Trinity teaches that Jesus is man as well as God, thus scriptures showing him to be a man do not disprove the Trinity).

  Jesus Christ -The man to whom God "put all things under his feet"

  "What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:" Psalm 8:4-6 "For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him." 1 Corinthians 15:27 "And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church," Ephesians 1:22
  
  
  Ths scriptures state that it is a "man" who God will put all things under his feet. This is applied to Jesus Christ in 1 Corinthians 15:27; Ephesians 1:22; Hebrews 2:6-8) The phrase "man"/ "son of man" occurrs to my knowledge in three places in the Psalms (Psalm 8:4; 80:17; 144:3) and seems to always refer to human beings (look at the context). Thus the Watchtowers claim that Jesus is not still a man is unscriptural.

  All things subject to an angel ?

  The Watchtower claims that Jesus is an angel to whom God put all things under. However, Hebrews 2:5 indicates that the world cannot be subject to angels (Hebrews 2:6-8 then goes on to quote Psalm 8 about all things being under man.)

  "What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:" Psalm 8:4-6 "For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him." Hebrews 2:5-8

  Summary: The scriptures show that Jesus Christ is a man to whom God "put all things under his feet", and also that He is not an angel to whom things have been subjected.
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  ozziepost

  Hooberus,

  This is all well and good - not exactly rocket science though, is it?

  Are you trying to tell us something by repeatedly posting about this topic i.e. the divinity of Christ.

  I doubt you'll ever convert a dub by hitting them with the Trinity.

  Ozzie
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  hooberus

  I have sometimes found it helpful to deal with common Watchower arguments one at a time, in bite-size pieces rather than to try to deal with them all on one thread.

  Jws do need to know the real Jesus.
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  hooberus

  I believe that 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 should be looked upon as positive evidence that Jesus is still a man (verse 27 is is a quote from Psalm 8:6), rather than as evidence againist him also being God by nature.
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  A Paduan

  ..........that God may be everything to every one

  There's the key
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  herk
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