If I had my way, Saddam would still be in power

by lastcall 50 Replies latest social current

Xena

In my mind it comes down to wether or not you think that the US should be the policeman for the rest of the world.

If we have the resources and the manpower, why not?
I personally still don't think we needed to go to war, EVEN THOUGH WE DID CAPTURE SADDAM, I know, I know, hard to believe.
Kind of a mote point as we did go to war.
Just think, If I had my way, Saddam would still be in power!!!! What was I thinking ? I mean he actually is a WMD incarnate. He is a walking, talking, mustachioed, WMD.
I imagine if you were living on that side of the world you might consider him a walking, talking mustachioed WMD...easy to roll the eyes from your comfy home isn't it?
My feeling is that there is a difference between a dictator that is an imminent threat, and one that is a potential threat to US security and world peace.
True, but did you want to wait till it became imminent to YOU?
We went after Iraq, my friends, purely because we could.
DUH
Tell me this: Who was a bigger potential danger to us, N. Korea or Iraq? If your answer is .."well, N.Korea is next", than at least your honest.
No idea..but I will take your word on this one.
North Korea is a little bit tougher though aren't they....not so easy.
Let me ask Yeru, being in the military he probably has a better grasp on that one than I do.
And if your going to argue that we are to be the instrument of justice for the world, then fine make your argument from that platform but accept that the only logical next step for us is to oust every government we deem to be cruel and a "potential threat".
Not necessarily, just because you take care of one bully doesn't mean you have to take care of all of them..and certainly not at the same time. lol considering how much flack the US & Britian were given for doing so this time I would venture to say we will be less likely to go to anyone's aid again, shame huh?
Maybe that is the way to go huh, to prevent the sort of tragedy that occured 9/11...err ..wait a second, that was a bunch of Saudis......lets go after them now.......oh wait, they are an ally.....oh shit.
*shrug* I wish I had all the answers and could have prevented that from happening, glad to hear you have such a good grasp on the situation. For what it is worth, eh?
I'm glad we have Saddam NOW.
And we are all happy that you are happy.
I mean we better have gotten him after the price that has been paid in dollars and more importantly our young peoples lives.
Everything in life has a price, you sign up for the military you know the risks you take. I feel more for the innocent victims myself
But I think I could still handle him ruling his little part of the world with our soldiers home and alive and with about 200 billion less in US debt and with more of our resources focused on OSAMA! Remember him?
Run for office then you might get your wish.
Yes Saddam would still be rattling his sword along with a dozen other retarded despots.
More innocent victims, but hey they aren't American so who really cares, right?
So if you think our place in this world is to dispense American Justice and humanitarianism (according to our liking), then we are on the right track. But we must be consistant (except in Africa......or anyone that has nukes...or anyone that is our "ally" {Saudi Arabia} ......).
Why must we be consistant?
Who do we destroy next? Do you personally feel safer now that Saddam is in custody? Really?
Got me, but next time GB gives me a call I will ask him for ya, k?
Safer? Not personally but I am sure there are a few people who are breathing easier now.
logansrun

Wonderful political commentary from Xena.
B.
Schizm

If I had MY way:
Xena

lol unlike some I don't claim to know everything bradley...I just state my OPINION...like it or lump it baby
Doubtfully Yours

Lastcall,
I agree! And the U.S. would not interfere EVER with any other Country's affairs. Let its own people solve their problem, not us, under any circumstances.
Then again, that'll never happen. This great nation will keep sticking its nose into everybody's business, getting enough people (foreign and domestic) mad in the process.
DY
Double Edge

I think these children and their parents in Iraq would disagree with you....
April 08, 2003 Iraqi Children Freed From Jail
More than 100 children held in a prison celebrated their freedom as US marines rolled into northeast Baghdad amid chaotic scenes which saw civilians loot weapons from an army compound, a US officer said.
Around 150 children spilled out of the jail after the gates were opened as a US military Humvee vehicle approached, Lieutenant Colonel Fred Padilla told an AFP correspondent travelling with the Marines 5th Regiment.
"Hundreds of kids were swarming us and kissing us," Padilla said.
"There were parents running up, so happy to have their kids back."
"The children had been imprisoned because they had not joined the youth branch of the Baath party," he alleged. "Some of these kids had been in there for five years.
Had the anti-war protesters and the U.N. had their way, those kids probably would not had made it to see the end of "inspections", let alone the light of day.
SixofNine

I believe the world would be closer to peace if Saddam had not been removed from power in the manner he was. I believe that Americans, and the west in general, are less safe than we were with the status quo in Iraq, ugly as that status quo was. I believe that Iraqi people should have been givin, and still should be givin, a much greater part in their own liberation and subsequent freedom.
What some people fail to realise is that we had many good options for dealing with Saddam; we (or rather Rove and co.) chose a really stupid option.
America has an awesome, all volunteer army; a great many of whom are family men and women. But they didn't sign up to be imperial guards, nor where they trained to be. If America wants to continue in the future with an awesome, all volunteer army, She is going to have to learn not to bite off more than She can chew.
If America truly wants to have success in the war on terror (ie: minimise attacks at home), She is going to have to learn the value of friends, and the true danger of enemies.
frenchbabyface
stillajwexelder

Do you want to win the war or the battle?

In my mind it comes down to whether or not you think that the US should be the policeman for the rest of the world. I personally still don't think we needed to go to war.

When you are a hyper-power, certain responsibilities come with it. It is possible you could argue that the US should become isolationist ? I would argue if the US had not be isolationist and Nazi Germany had known the US would use its might to come to the aid of Great Britain, the 2 nd world war may not have happened ? saving a mere 100 million lives never mind the awful injuries. The fact that the US went to war in the Gulf/Iraq has shown ? THIS PRESIDENT MEANS BUSINESS ? North Korea will not be quite as Saber rattling as it has been.

Just think, If I had my way, Saddam would still be in power!! What was I thinking ? I mean he actually was a WMD incarnate. He was a walking, talking, mustachioed, WMD. My feeling is that there is a difference between a dictator that is an imminent threat, and one that is a potential threat to US security and world peace.

Look at his track record --- he used WMD on the Kurds and his own people ? yes we could have left it to the Israelis to finally get rid of him but that in itself could have started a world war. He was a PROVEN potential threat to the peace of the region and hence the rest of the world.

We went after Iraq, my friends, purely because we could.

Bullshit ? there were a number of reasons
1) Unfinished business
2) Regional security
3) Help for the Israelis
4) Oil
5) Revenge for George senior
6) Because we could
7) SENDS AN INCREDIBLY POWERFUL MESSAGE TO NORTH KOREA AND OTHERS
8) There was a threat
9) He had used WMD
10) Americans love 1$ a gallon gasoline for their SUVs

Tell me this: Who was a bigger potential danger to us, N. Korea or Iraq? If your answer is .."well, N orth Korea is next", than at least your honest. North Korea is a little bit tougher though aren't they....not so easy. And if your going to argue that we are to be the instrument of justice for the world, then fine make your argument from that platform but accept that the only logical next step for us is to oust every government we deem to be cruel and a "potential threat".

North Korea was a bigger potential threat - -but there is also something called PRAGMATISM my friend. The Soviet Union was a HUGE potential and real threat ? but that war had to be won a different way and over a long period of time. We have already sent the North Koreans a powerful message. THIS PRESIDENT MEANS BUSINESS ? North Korea will not be quite as Saber rattling as it has been. North Korea has nukes so we have to fight that war a little differently - something called PRAGMATISM/REALISM my friend.

Maybe that is the way to go huh, to prevent the sort of tragedy that occurred 9/11...err ..wait a second, that was a bunch of Saudis......lets go after them now.......oh wait, they are an ally.....oh shit.

We are already punishing the Saudis and little by little they will be punished more. Oil supplies will be diversified and it may not be straight away but they will be punished - -research is being intensifies into alternative fuels. So again we fight this a different way. We had tried all other ways with Saddam ? force was the only way in the end ? it is all Saddam understands. The Saudis have been sent a powerful message THIS PRESIDENT MEANS BUSINESS
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I'm glad we have Saddam NOW. I mean we better have gotten him after the price that has been paid in dollars and more importantly our young peoples lives. But I think I could still handle him ruling his little part of the world with our soldiers home and alive and with about 200 billion less in US debt and with more of our resources focused on OSAMA! Remember him?

Wars cost lives ? always do ? they are awful ? but sadly there is a price to be paid for our way of life ? if you do not like our way of life fine ? stop buying SUVs and demanding your 1$ a gallon gasoline. I will bet a years salary that you are one of the biggest moaners and bitchers when gas goes up dime. ?Yes after the price that has been paid in dollars ---? but what you are missing in your calculation is the benefit to the American and world economy of a stabilized gasoline price. In the long run this saves lives because with the economy strong more research can go into cancer/aids/disease etc.

Yes Saddam would still be rattling his sword along with a dozen other retarded despots.
So if you think our place in this world is to dispense American Justice and humanitarianism (according to our liking), then we are on the right track. But we must be consistent (except in Africa......or anyone that has nukes...or anyone that is our "ally" {Saudi Arabia} ......).
Who do we destroy next? Do you personally feel safer now that Saddam is in custody? Really?

Why do we have to be consistent ? I have already said sometimes PRAGMATISM is needed. Yes we should have intervened in Rwanda. Yes we were right to intervene in Kosovo (without UN approval I may add). We did not need to go to war in Libya ? eventually Quaddafi came around and wil pay compensation for the airline tragedies.

So I now have a question for you. What if India and Pakistan went to war ? should we mind our own business and let them nuke the shit out of each other?
frenchbabyface

Ooops I've messed up !

Ok ... I've already said somewhere what I'm thinking about that ...
what is really surprising is to realise "who" knows and "who" don't know
(even what can be know very easely)

That reminds me the JW with the "ORGANISATION" (and their propaganda) and How JW's are defending it and why ? When the worse devil is in the house !!!
About the Army knowing everything Well ... guess who is leading the Army ? A politic or a JI JO ?

If I had my way, Saddam would still be in power

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