Saddam To Face The Music? To Who's Tune?

by Englishman 12 Replies latest social current

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    If Saddam is to stand trial, who should try him?

    If he's found guilty of murder / genocide, should he face the death penalty?

    I see a storm ahead here that could cause a major disruption amongst the coalition members.

    Englishman.

  • unbeliever
    unbeliever
    If Saddam is to stand trial, who should try him?

    I believe the Iraqi people should be the ones to try him period. I hear all this talk on the news about sending him to the Hague or an American military court and I think that is BS.

    If he's found guilty of murder / genocide, should he face the death penalty?

    I am not a supporter of the death penalty but in some cases like this one I think he should face the death penalty.

  • Wolfgirl
    Wolfgirl

    Don't get me started on politics. I've already alienated half the members of another board for my stance.

    Wolfgirl (of the anti-Shrub class)

  • imallgrowedup
    imallgrowedup

    Hi E-man,

    I think Saddam should be tried in the country in which he committed his atrocities - Iraq. Additionally, I would hope that he would be subject to the death penalty for more than one reason. First, as long as he is alive, he is going to have followers and he needs to be OUT of the picture permanently in order to have hope for a better Iraq. The other reason is because this is one time I wish someone could die in the manner in which his victims died. However, if that happened, we would be stooping to his level. Therefore, an electric chair or gas chamber will be just fine.

    growedup

  • Mutz
    Mutz

    America should try him, after all they supported him. Only up until the time he threatened the Bush family's bestest buddies in Saudi Arabia of course...........

  • expatbrit
    expatbrit

    He should be tried in an Iraqi court and executed by Iraqis. This will demonstrate the complete end of his regime, and be an effective sign to the Iraqi population that self-government is imminent. Then maybe his useless carcass can finally be of some use in rebuilding the country he destroyed.

    Expatbrit

  • Simon
    Simon

    He should be tried by the Iraqi's and they should decide what they do with him.

    All the things he did were committed in Iraq so it is a domestic matter for them.

  • logansrun
    logansrun

    I think George Bush Sr. should cut him up with a chainsaw on Al Jazeera.

    Bradley

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    HI E-Man,

    I believe, as most Americans do, and as our President stated, that Saddam should be tried by the Iraqis in an Iraqi court. And, if the Iraqi people convict Saddam and see fit to execute him, then that is their right. I also think an international court might try him separately for war crimes ... but, I think anyting liek that needs to take a back seat behind what the Iraqi people decide to do with him. - Jim W.

  • Gerard
    Gerard

    Personaly, I'd like to see the Iraqis execute justice or 2nd: an international tribunal.

    But here are today's comments on Aljazeera:

    http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/CC95D495-E992-42B5-A9B6-CCBCA1A26DEB.htm

    Impartial judgement for Saddam?
    By Lawrence Smallman

    Capturing Saddam Hussein is one thing, convicting him in an impartial court is something else.

    One Iraqi Governing Council member and judge, Dara Nur al-Din, has hghlighted the impartiality problem already.

    Having helped draft the statute creating the war crimes tribunal, Nur al-Din told journalists on Monday that people in Iraq need "to see the nature of crimes committed with Saddam at the helm".

    Ahmad Chalabi, another member of the Governing Council, promised: "Saddam will stand a public trial so that the Iraqi people will know his crimes".

    US President George Bush has also promised that "the former dictator of Iraq will face the justice he denied to millions" - though he did not say where the former president would be tried and by whom.

    No judges or administrators have yet been appointed to the tribunal, and with no transitional government set to assume sovereignty until 1 July – questions of how justice is to be meted out are bound to be asked.

    For instance, could the Iraqi tribunal have the power to impose death sentences? International human rights groups are concerned over early indications.

    Victor's justice?

    Amnesty International has told Aljazeera.net that as Iraq's former military commander in chief, Hussein is most certainly a prisoner of war and should be given prompt access to the international Red Cross.

    "Like any other criminal suspect he is entitled to all relevant safeguards under international law, including the right not to be subjected to torture or ill-treatment", said Amnesty spokeswoman Nicole Shuairy.

    "Of course he has the right to receive a fair trial, a defense lawyer and the minimum safeguards as any other prisoner," she added.

    Humiliating Saddam

    But to the applause of "impartial" western and Iraqi journalists, the former president was paraded in front of television screens around the world.

    It was only last March that American officials expressed their anger over the parading of five American soldiers on Iraqi television.

    Just after the end of the invasion, the International Red Cross said occupation forces should re-examine the way they handled PoWs.

    Referring to Article 13 in the third convention, Florian Westphal, from the ICRC, said PoWs should at all times be humanely treated, protected particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against "insults and public curiosity".

    Fundamental flaws

    Human rights' groups are wary that the Iraqi decree establishing the new tribunal is fundamentally flawed because it was proclaimed by an unelected body and without consultation with the Iraqi people or the international community.

    Activists also say the decree does not ensure that guilt has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

    "Another concern is the death penalty," Shuairy said. "He should be punished for his crimes, but the death penalty is not included. That goes without saying."

    Convenient international justice

    The London director of Human Rights Watch, Steve Crawshaw, told Aljazeera.net that any sense Saddam Hussein was being exposed to revenge justice would lessen the chance of stability in Iraq.

    While he accepts The International Criminal Court (ICC) can only hear crimes committed since 1 July 2002, he believes it is a fundamental flaw that there is little provision to involve international judges.

    "Part of the problem is the loathing that the US feels for international justice, as reflected by its desire to throttle the ICC at birth," Crawshaw said.

    Eager not to upset Washington, the Iraqi Governing Council has set out plans for five Iraqi judges with no legal requirement for international legal observers on what will prove hugely complex cases, he added.

    He too regrets the retention of the death penalty. "The example of the Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu - shot after a summary trial in 1989 - reminds us how things should not be done. That execution hindered long-term justice in Romania."

    Geneva conventions

    Louise Christian, solicitor for three British detainees in Guantanamo Bay, also believes the US continues to talk about international justice when it suits them.

    "On their original arrest Guantanamo detainees too were humiliated and paraded on TV manacled, shackled and hooded," she said.

    The Third Geneva Convention was signed by the United States, Iraq and more than 180 other governments.

    It is designed to protect the lives, health and dignity of uniformed combatants; the civilians accompanying them, like war correspondents; and some guerrilla fighters.

    It includes guarantees of things like food, clothing and shelter, and protections against torture, coercion and humiliation.

    US position changing?

    Officially, the US position as laid out in a State Department document in 1999 is that: "The goal of the United States is to see Saddam Hussein indicted by an international tribunal."

    But until recently, the type of trial envisaged remained vague.

    But Charles Forest, director of a London-based group funded partly by the US State Department believes the position is changing.

    Responsible for gathering evidence for a war crimes trial, he told journalists on Monday: "There is a growing consensus that the best solution would be for Saddam Hussein to be tried in Iraq under Iraqi law."

    Aljazeera

    http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/C47A8269-85EA-4EAE-ADCE-9B54AF438B9A.htm

    "Given the location and circumstances of his capture, it makes it clear that Saddam was not managing the insurgency, and that he had very little control or influence."

    "That is significant and disturbing because it means the insurgents are not fighting for Saddam, they're fighting against the United States," said Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

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