Yep, they're no good. LOL
Are Elders Still "In"-----No Good?
by minimus 20 Replies latest jw friends
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minimus
Earnest, we sometimes get too critical . It's true---some prominent people got forced out of their religion. Some are still mad at Franz for that. Just because a person doesn't follow the same path that we might choose, doesn't mean they're dogmeat.
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willyloman
some think they can work for change from the inside
That was me, until I realized it wasn't working. Then I recalled the illustration I heard way back in an early talk, about how "trying to repair this old system was like painting the deck chairs on the Titanic." In retrospect, painting those chairs is a more honorable way to go than propping up this fake religion. But making the break is really tough, especially for those with lots of family "in." As someone already said, it's a process.
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minimus
Whether a person is an elder or not, the key thing is everyone's different. I would like to say to any lurkers out there: JUST KEEP ALERT. DON'T IGNORE YOUR CONSCIENCE.
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blondie
I think of Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus, Pharisees on the Sanhedrin, yet they did not step forward to follow Christ until after his death. The apostle Paul did not step forward but was called out of his Pharisaical life. Give people a break and time to make their own decision. Most of us were in for some time before the picket fence got too high and painful to stay on both sides of the fence.
Blondie
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minimus
Blondie, it DOES eventually wear on you. You can only know and not do anything for so long. For some persons it's instantaneous. For others, it's a process. I believe the majority fall in the latter position.
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got my forty homey?
From similiar discussions on this board it seems as if the only ones who dont have any conscience about leaving are those who are raised and turn 18! However I do not knock anyone who is fearful of leaving, like my Father. I was hopeful but he turned back, after 35 years maybe it would be a scary thing for him to do. But I still love him and am able to have conversations with him about the org. and other things.
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Panda
Mini, Is this a close to home plate question.. just wondering. Panda
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LittleToe
Still:
so many say what Peter said ' Where else is there to go?
Just being pedantic, but that's the JW interpretation of that text
Peter actually said:
"Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life; and we have believed and come to know that you are the Holy One of God." (NWT - John 6:68,69)I went through the "where will I go" phase, too, though.
IMHO, our journey's are as individual as we are, and we can't underestimate the damage of years of having our personality and conscience eroded by the high level of control that was exerted on us. We were institutionalised in perhaps the worst possible way - a cell without bars (or rubber padding).
Are Elders who have seen the light, but remain in, no good?
If they continue to intentionally hurt people: yes. Otherwise: unlikely, and their days are numbered. -
stillajwexelder
Little Toe I agree with you 100% sir -- I was just passing comment on what the reply would be