Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)

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  Longlivetherenegades

  Paragraph 1........WHAT does the near future hold for Jehovah’s people? We do not have to guess

  What did they do in paragraphs 5 and 6

  GUESS 1. It indicates that what we read about the king of the north and the king of the south COULD not apply to rulers or kingdoms that held power from sometime in the 2nd century to the second half of the 19th century.

  Guess 2 When could God’s people again be identified? Explain

  Imposed upon any member attempting this question this week.

  Guess 3. God’s people could once again be identified!

  What words will one find when making guesses? COULD is one of them. The writer of this article placed it where it is needed the most in the ARTICLE. These paragraphs is the major HINGE of the whole article.

  First guess to show ELIMINATION of true Christians from first century and support the claim that no king of North or south and no God's people to attack by both kings. Zenobia removal from the Daniel prophecy is to further support the claim that true Christianity ceased after the deaths of the apostle and cannot be seen to have stretched till the third century.

  Second guess well placed to show RUSSELL and his associates marks the REBIRTH of TRUE CHRISTIANITY that was absent from the end of the first century.

  But the writer of the ARTICLE forgot that Matthew 13 cited in that account about the weeds and wheats undermine all his MENTAL GYMNASTICS. Jesus never said in his parable that the WHEATS die out completely and no where did the HARVEST started with the collection of WHEATS rather it started with reaping of the WEEDS but 1870 - 1919 no WEEDS were reaped or burnt.

  The comic aspect of the whole account under paragraphs 5,6 is considering the religious background of RUSSELL and is ASSOCIATE and having the mindset that all other churches apart from of JWS are WEEDS.

  It sure looks like a case of Jesus coming/presence in 1870 to turn WEEDS to WHEATS before 1919. Then after 1919 he pronounced the converted WEEDS as WHEATS. Jesus made a liar.
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  Phizzy

  " Jesus made a liar."

  Or as Ray Franz put it, ( I paraphrase) " when you consider what the WT ( "Bible Students") under Rutherford was teaching in 1919, it is an insult to Jesus to say he chose them ".
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  Anna Marina

  There's another way of reading this

  "And even though God’s servants make up only a small portion of the world’s population, they are often at the center of major world events. Why? Because Satan and his entire system have one prime objective​—conquering those who serve Jehovah and Jesus."

  God's servants - WT are liars and serve Satan. So because Satan is the god of this system of things, WT is at the centre of major world events and have one prime objective - conquering those who serve Jehovah and Jesus.
  
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  Jeffro

  Back in the late 19th century, the only significant difference between Russell's interpretation of the 'kings of the north and south' and that of the Seventh-day Adventist Church was Russell's identification of Aurelian and Zenobia among the 'kings'. That difference has now finally been abandoned.
  

  Russell correctly identified the 'kings' up until verse 16 of Daniel chapter 11. By 1954, the Watch Tower Society caught up with the correct identification of the 'kings' up to verse 19. Unfortunately, from there they are permanently stuck with incorrect identifications because they need the 'prophecy' to point to Jesus and then to 'our day'.

  Back in reality, the story of the 'kings of the north and south' ends with Antiochus IV Epiphanes.
  
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  Phizzy

  " Back in reality, the story of the 'kings of the north and south' ends with Antiochus IV Epiphanes."

  Exactly Jeffro, I know you have made an extensive Study of The Book Daniel, and that you have made excellent observations upon the the JW Org's huge error in calculating 1914. Respect Sir !

  Daniel does make an attempt at Prophesying the death of Antiochus 1V, but he gets that wrong in detail, as he gets a number of things from History wrong, when he was supposedly writing about events contemporary to him ! Actually he was finishing his Book at around 164BCE when Antiochus 1V was actually dead, a fact that Daniel seems to be unaware of. If he was aware, he does not know the details !

  All in all his Book, as well as not being written as a Prophesy stretching Centuries in to the future, was a bit of a failure !
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  Anna Marina

  Jesus Christ held the prophet Daniel in high esteem.

  (Matthew 24:15-16) . . .“Therefore, when YOU catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) 16 then let those in Ju‧de′a begin fleeing to the mountains.
  
  
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  Pete Zahut

  "And even though God’s servants make up only a small portion of the world’s population, they are often at the center of major world events. Why? Because Satan and his entire system have one prime objective​—conquering those who serve Jehovah and Jesus."

  Assuming they are able to prove that they are in fact "Gods Servants", would the Australian Royal Commission hearings on child sexual abuse be considered a "major world event" ?
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  Phizzy

  They are such Narcissists, the "World" does not know who they are, as a rule, or at best knows very little about them. How could they ever, as an obscure little Cult, be at the centre of ANY World events ??

  This nonsense has gone on since the time of Rutherford, the claiming that various things done by them, clapping a Resolution, or publishing an Article in their little (actually) read magazines etc. Rutherford claimed such things were a " Hammer Blow" to the World , or to other Religions, utter nonsense, and bullshit of the first order.

  Even as an active believing JW I knew this, and used to laugh at such overblown, grandiose nonsense.

  I think the motive for this, especially now, is to boost the JW Drones own sense of how important they are. Little do they know, nobody gives a S**T !!!
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  BelisemDeBelimakom

  Here is a very good read and analysis of the prophecy:

  https://beroeans.net/2020/07/04/the-king-of-the-north-and-the-king-of-the-south/
  
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  JoenB75

  Good stuff. All fullfilled by 1st century. That is the mature interpretation