You might surprised how many JWs are homosexuals

by Roger Kirkpatrick 19 Replies latest jw friends

  • Roger Kirkpatrick
    Roger Kirkpatrick

    Contrary to common belief, neither the Bible nor the Watchtower condemns homosexuality; however, they do condemn the practice of fornication. Homosexuality is same sex attraction whether such attraction is acted upon or not. Leviticus 20:13 describes a man having sexual relations with a man, or the act of fornication. In a similar vein, the Bible condemns the practice of drunkenness as opposed to alcoholism, which is an unnatural desire for alcohol. Many alcoholics abstain from practicing drunkenness, and many homosexuals abstain from practicing fornication. The Bible makes a distinction between an inclination toward sin and the sinful act.

    Over the years, the Watchtower published letters from elders, ministerial servants and other Witnesses in good standing who admitted having to strenuously fight their homosexual urges, most of whom were married to women, which begs the question, Do heterosexuals commonly have to fight homosexual urges?

    In 1983, the Watchtower explained that the term homosexual could appropriately be applied to those who felt same sex attraction even if they never acted on such feelings. Of course, many ignorant elders held to the view that a homosexual was only one practicing homosexual fornication. Yet, a person who is sexually attracted to the opposite sex is considered heterosexual even if, for whatever reason, one chooses to remain single and celibate. So, a man once told a Witness that he would love to be a JW but he was homosexual and homosexuals could not become JWs. The Witness told the man that he might be surprised how many Witnesses are homosexual.

    Therefore, it is appropriate to acknowledge that many Witnesses are homosexuals, just as many Witnesses are unmarried heterosexuals who choose to remain celibate. I knew a 50-year old Circuit Overseer who had never been married. When my local elders rejected a letter from the Branch supporting the viewpoint expressed above, that CO admitted to me in private that he was a celibate homosexual and he had never married because he was not sexually attracted to women.

    I urge anyone who disagrees with these observations to view the excellent British film, "Victim," starring Dirk Bogarde, which can be viewed on YouTube. An attorney with political ambitions is gay, yet married to the woman he loves. He plans to draw out and expose someone who is blackmailing homosexuals throughout the city. (Prior to 1960, homosexuals in Britain were imprisoned.) In so doing, he becomes a victim of the blackmailer. In a pivotal scene, he is advised by a group of victims to simply pay the blackmailer. Explaining why he is the one best qualified to draw out and prosecute the blackmailer, he tells the group, "I share your instincts, but I have never acted on them!"

    It is a very enlightening film and well illustrates the Watchtower's current view of homosexuality. I hasten to add that this is one of very few Watchtower teachings with which I remain in agreement.

  • sir82

    There was an elders school a number of years ago, in which there was a 30 minute talk on how the WTS refused to accept the phrase "Non practicing gay" and that anyone who had "homosexual tendencies" was expected to vigorously fight against such urges, "deaden his body members", etc.

    It was a thoroughly bizarre talk. The guy giving it looked utterly nervous, pretty much just kept his head down the whole time and read word for word what he had in front of him.

  • ttdtt

    I would imagine the % is about the same as in the general public.

  • slimboyfat

    Around 5% of the population is estimated to be gay. What would surprise me is if JWs were significantly different.

    However I do think there are greater incentives for gay JWs to leave these days. Because decades ago mainstream society objected to gay love just as JWs do. So gay JWs might as well have stayed where they were. Nowadays there is a huge gulf between mainstream opinion and JW views on gay love. So the attraction of leaving JWs now is acceptance, freedom and love. No wonder so many gay JWs are leaving these days rather than sticking it out.

  • Half banana
    Half banana

    Sticking what out Slimboy?

  • cofty
    Around 5% of the population is estimated to be gay - SBF

    Most surveys show that figure is somewhere between 1% and 2% with an additional similar percentage identifying as bisexual.

    Williams Institute...

    I hasten to add that this is one of very few Watchtower teachings with which I remain in agreement - RogerK

    Are you saying that you think all gay people ought to remain celibate?

  • slimboyfat

    Not sure if that was a joke. ;-)

    But stick it out means: "to continue to the end of a difficult or unpleasant situation"

  • snugglebunny
  • slimboyfat

    And 93% identified as heterosexual, while 5% refused to say. And 4.1% of 16-24 year olds identified as gay. So it's a complicated question.

    UK government official estimate is 6%.

  • cofty
    UK government official estimate is 6%
    The official survey posted by snugglebunny puts it at 2% which is exactly in line with the meta-analysis done by the Williams Institute.

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