1995 "generation change", what were your early thoughts and what was said ?

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  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away." (Matthew 24:34, 35) Jesus likely had in mind the "heaven and earth"?the rulers and the ruled?of "this generation."

    This actually was a new application for these words as well. It may have been used this way before but typically they explained it as Jesus merely using a metaphor. Like saying "I'll love you till the mountains crumble". Now they tied it to 2Peter. Does anyone have the full 2 study articles? Not that it matters but my earlier post will only make sense if the rest is posted.

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    You know what, I just realized that I probably was just as confused as everyone else and my attempt to make sense of it all just took me in different directions . If they did not intend to interpret the passage the way I said they did in the study articles, they should, it's good. It works, and it doesn't commit to anything.

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    peacefulpete, you are a glutton for punishment, eh? LOL

    Above I posted the QfR, and then the 2nd study article. Here's the first study article:

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    w95 11/1 pp. 10-15 Saved From a "Wicked Generation" ***

    Saved

    From a "Wicked Generation"

    "O faithless and twisted generation, how long must I continue with you and put up with you?"?LUKE 9:41.

    WE LIVE in calamitous times. Earthquakes, floods, famines, disease, lawlessness, bombings, horrendous warfare?these and more have engulfed mankind during our 20th century. However, the greatest calamity of all threatens in the near future. What is that? It is "great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world?s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again." (Matthew 24:21) Yet, many of us may look forward to a joyful future! Why? Because God?s own Word describes "a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues . . . ?These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation . . . They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore . . . And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.?"?Revelation 7:1, 9, 14-17.

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    The inspired record at Matthew 24:3-22, Mark 13:3-20, and Luke 21:7-24 introduces Jesus? prophetic description of "the conclusion of the system of things." This prophecy had an initial fulfillment on the corrupt Jewish system of things of the first century of our Common Era, culminating in an unprecedented "great tribulation" on the Jews. The entire religious and political structure of the Jewish system, centered at Jerusalem?s temple, was thrown down, never to be restored.

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    Let us now consider the circumstances that surrounded the first fulfillment of Jesus? prophecy. This will help us better to understand the parallel fulfillment today. It will show us how urgent it is to take positive action now in order to survive the greatest of tribulations that threatens all mankind.?Romans 10:9-13; 15:4; 1 Corinthians 10:11; 15:58.

    "The

    End"?When?

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    About the year 539 B.C.E., God?s prophet Daniel was given a vision of events that would occur during the final "week" of a period of "seventy weeks" of years. (Daniel 9:24-27) These "weeks" began in 455 B.C.E. when King Artaxerxes of Persia ordered the rebuilding of the city of Jerusalem. The final "week" started with the appearance of Messiah, Jesus Christ, at his baptism and anointing in 29 C.E. God-fearing Jews of the first century C.E. were well aware of this time feature of Daniel?s prophecy. For example, concerning the crowds that flocked to hear the preaching of John the Baptizer in 29 C.E., Luke 3:15 states: "The people were in expectation and all were reasoning in their hearts about John: ?May he perhaps be the Christ??"

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    The 70th "week" was to be seven years of special favor extended to the Jews. Starting in 29 C.E., it included Jesus? baptism and ministry, his sacrificial death "at the half of the week" in 33 C.E., and another ?half week? until 36 C.E. During this "week," the opportunity to become Jesus? anointed disciples was extended exclusively to God-fearing Jews and Jewish proselytes. Then in 70 C.E., a date not known in advance, the Roman legions under Titus exterminated the apostate Jewish system.?Daniel 9:26, 27.

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    Thus the Jewish priesthood, which had defiled Jerusalem?s temple and conspired in the murder of God?s own Son, was wiped out. Gone, too, were the national and tribal records. Thereafter, no Jew could legally claim a priestly or a kingly inheritance. Happily, though, anointed spiritual Jews had been separated as a royal priesthood to "declare abroad the excellencies" of Jehovah God. (1 Peter 2:9) When Rome?s army first besieged Jerusalem and even undermined the temple area in 66 C.E., Christians recognized that military force as "the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place." In obedience to Jesus? prophetic command, the Christians in Jerusalem and Judea fled to the mountainous regions for protection.?Matthew 24:15, 16; Luke 21:20, 21.

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    Those faithful Jewish Christians observed the fulfillment of Daniel?s prophecy and were eyewitnesses of the tragic wars, famines, pestilences, earthquakes, and lawlessness that Jesus had foretold as part of the "sign . . . of the conclusion of the system of things." (Matthew 24:3) But had Jesus told them when Jehovah would actually execute judgment on that corrupt system? No. What he prophesied about the climax of his future royal presence surely applied also to the first-century "great tribulation": "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father."?Matthew 24:36.

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    From Daniel?s prophecy, the Jews could have calculated the timing of Jesus? appearing as the Messiah. (Daniel 9:25) Yet they were given no date for the "great tribulation" that finally desolated the apostate Jewish system of things. It was only after the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple that they realized that the date was 70 C.E. However, they had been aware of Jesus? prophetic words: "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur." (Matthew 24:34) Apparently, the application of "generation" here is different from that at Ecclesiastes 1:4, which speaks of successive generations coming and going over a period of time.

    "This

    Generation"?What Is It?

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    When four apostles seated with Jesus on the Mount of Olives heard his prophecy about "the conclusion of the system of things," how would they understand the expression "this generation"? In the Gospels the word "generation" is translated from the Greek word ge·ne·a´, which current lexicons define in these terms: "Lit[erally] those descended fr[om] a common ancestor." (Walter Bauer?s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament) "That which has been begotten, a family; . . . successive members of a genealogy . . . or of a race of people . . . or of the whole multitude of men living at the same time, Matt. 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 1:48; 21:32; Phil. 2:15, and especially of those of the Jewish race living at the same period." (W. E. Vine?s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words) "That which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family; . . . the whole multitude of men living at the same time: Mt. xxiv. 34; Mk. xiii. 30; Lk. i. 48 . . . used esp[ecially] of the Jewish race living at one and the same period."?J. H. Thayer?s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament.

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    Thus Vine and Thayer both cite Matthew 24:34 in defining "this generation" (he ge·ne·a´ hau´te) as "the whole multitude of men living at the same time." The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (1964) gives support to this definition, stating: "The use of ?generation? by Jesus expresses his comprehensive purpose: he aims at the whole people and is conscious of their solidarity in sin." Truly a "solidarity in sin" was apparent in the Jewish nation when Jesus was on earth, just as it marks the world system today.

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    Of course, Christians studying this matter guide their thinking primarily by how Jesus used the Greek expression he ge·ne·a´ hau´te, or "this generation." He used it consistently in a negative way. Thus, he called the Jewish religious leaders "serpents, offspring of vipers" and went on to say that the judgment of Gehenna would be executed on "this generation." (Matthew 23:33, 36) However, was this judgment limited to the hypocritical clergy? Not at all. On a number of occasions, Jesus? disciples heard him speak of "this generation," applying the term uniformly in a far wider sense. What was that?

    "This

    Wicked Generation"

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    In 31 C.E., during Jesus? great Galilean ministry and shortly after the Passover, his disciples heard him say to "the crowds": "With whom shall I compare this generation? It is like young children sitting in the marketplaces who cry out to their playmates, saying, ?We played the flute for you, but you did not dance; we wailed, but you did not beat yourselves in grief.? Correspondingly, John [the Baptizer] came neither eating nor drinking, yet people say, ?He has a demon?; the Son of man [Jesus] did come eating and drinking, still people say, ?Look! A man gluttonous and given to drinking wine, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.?" There was no pleasing those unprincipled "crowds"!?Matthew 11:7, 16-19.

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    Later in 31 C.E., as Jesus and his disciples set out on their second preaching tour of Galilee, "some of the scribes and Pharisees" asked Jesus for a sign. He told them and "the crowds" who were present: "A wicked and adulterous generation keeps on seeking for a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah the prophet. For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish three days and three nights, so the Son of man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights. . . . That is how it will be also with this wicked generation." (Matthew 12:38-46) Obviously, "this wicked generation" included both the religious leaders and "the crowds" who never came to appreciate the sign that was fulfilled in Jesus? death and resurrection.

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    After the Passover of 32 C.E., as Jesus and his disciples came into the Galilean region of Magadan, the Sadducees and the Pharisees again asked Jesus for a sign. He repeated to them: "A wicked and adulterous generation keeps on seeking for a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah." (Matthew 16:1-4) Those religious hypocrites were indeed most reprehensible as leaders among the unfaithful "crowds" whom Jesus condemned as "this wicked generation."

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    Toward the end of his Galilean ministry, Jesus called the crowd and his disciples to him and said: "Whoever becomes ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of man will also be ashamed of him." (Mark 8:34, 38) So the masses of unrepentant Jews of that time obviously made up "this adulterous and sinful generation." Some days later, after Jesus? transfiguration, Jesus and his disciples "came toward the crowd," and a man asked him to heal his son. Jesus commented: "O faithless and twisted generation, how long must I continue with you? How long must I put up with you?"?Matthew 17:14-17; Luke 9:37-41.

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    It was likely in Judea, after the Festival of Booths in 32 C.E., "when the crowds were massing together" around Jesus, that he repeated his condemnation of them, saying: "This generation is a wicked generation; it looks for a sign. But no sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah." (Luke 11:29) Finally, when the religious leaders brought Jesus to trial, Pilate offered to release him. The record says: "The chief priests and the older men persuaded the crowds to ask for Barabbas, but to have Jesus destroyed. . . . Pilate said to them: ?What, then, shall I do with Jesus the so-called Christ?? They all said: ?Let him be impaled!? He said: ?Why, what bad thing did he do?? Still they kept crying out all the more: ?Let him be impaled!?" That "wicked generation" was demanding Jesus? blood!?Matthew 27:20-25.

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    A "faithless and twisted generation," egged on by its religious leaders, thus played a key part in bringing about the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. Fifty days later, at Pentecost in 33 C.E., the disciples received holy spirit and started to speak in different tongues. Upon hearing the sound, "the multitude came together," and the apostle Peter addressed them as "men of Judea and all you inhabitants of Jerusalem," saying: "This man [Jesus] . . . you fastened to a stake by the hand of lawless men and did away with." How did some of those listeners react? "They were stabbed to the heart." Peter then called on them to repent. He "bore thorough witness and kept exhorting them, saying: ?Get saved from this crooked generation.?" In response, about three thousand "embraced his word heartily [and] were baptized."?Acts 2:6, 14, 23, 37, 40, 41.

    "This

    Generation" Identified

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    What, then, is the "generation" so frequently referred to by Jesus in the presence of his disciples? What did they understand by his words: "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur"? Surely, Jesus was not departing from his established use of the term "this generation," which he consistently applied to the contemporary masses with their "blind guides" who together made up the Jewish nation. (Matthew 15:14) "This generation" experienced all the distress foretold by Jesus and then passed away in an unequaled "great tribulation" on Jerusalem.?Matthew 24:21, 34.

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    In the first century, Jehovah was judging the Jewish people. Repentant ones, who came to exercise faith in Jehovah?s merciful provision through Christ, were saved out of that "great tribulation." True to Jesus? words, all things prophesied occurred, and then the "heaven and earth" of the Jewish system of things?the entire nation, with its religious leaders and wicked society of people?passed away. Jehovah had executed judgment!?Matthew 24:35; compare 2 Peter 3:7.

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    Those Jews who had paid attention to Jesus? prophetic words realized that their salvation depended, not on trying to calculate the length of a "generation" or of some dated "times or seasons," but on keeping separate from the evil contemporary generation and zealously doing God?s will. Though the final words of Jesus? prophecy apply to the major fulfillment in our day, first-century Jewish Christians also had to heed the admonition: "Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that you may succeed in escaping all these things that are destined to occur, and in standing before the Son of man."?Luke 21:32-36; Acts 1:6-8.

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    Today, "the great day of Jehovah . . . is near, and there is a hurrying of it very much." (Zephaniah 1:14-18; Isaiah 13:9, 13) Suddenly, at Jehovah?s own predetermined "day and hour," his fury will be unleashed upon the world?s religious, political, and commercial elements, together with the wayward people who make up this contemporary "wicked and adulterous generation." (Matthew 12:39; 24:36; Revelation 7:1-3, 9, 14) How may you get saved out of "the great tribulation"? Our next article will answer and tell of the grand hope for the future.
  • run dont walk
    run dont walk

    thanks onacruse, very much APPRECIATED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    run

  • Osarsif
    Osarsif

    Thirdson wrote:

    I couldn't believe what we were studying. On top of that someone answered and said that Newsweek had reported the change. Well that blew me away.

    Newsweek article: http://www.caic.org.au/jws/predictions/newswk1.htm

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    I found out in 1993 that some sort of change would be made to the Society's "generation of 1914" doctrine. That summer they gave district assembly talks that changed the interpretation of passages in Matthew, Mark and Luke about "signs in sun, moon and stars" and such. The old view was that those "signs" had happened around 1918, but the new view was that they are yet in the future. There were big holes left in the doctrinal structure. JWs, of course, for the most part were too stupid (because of being intellectually enslaved) to understand the changes, much less the fact that they left big holes. In late 1993 I happened to speak with GB member Albert Schroeder about this. He acknowledged that more changes would be forthcoming, but he wouldn't tell me what they were. I expected to see them sometime in 1994, so by early 1995 I figured that they had given up on them. I suspect that they decided to let the unsettlement about the 1993 changes die down before making bigger changes. I told JWs who were on various Usenet forums that something was in the works, but for the most part they refused to believe that anything about "the generation" could change. After all, the notion that "within one generation from 1914 the end will come" was a cornerstone of JW teaching.

    As soon as the changes were announced in the fall of 1995, I and others on Usenet forums discussed the Awake! masthead and predicted that it would soon change, as it wasn't compatible with the new doctrine. Within a couple of months it did. Several JWs got quite pissed off that we were right.

    The new "generation" doctrine is absolutely meaningless and shows the Watchtower's intellectual aridity. If the "generation" simply amounts to the collection of people who are living when "the end" comes, then all that Jesus said was that the generation that sees the end will see the end. Big friggin deal. But JWs are again far too intellectually enslaved to allow themselves to see it.

    AlanF

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    But don't you think that most Witnesses now are not interested in the doctrines Alan? I mean, it seems to me that, for the most part, most Witnesses now go to meetings and go out in service more out of habit (or momentum) rather than because they really believe these are the last days that began in 1914. The Witnesses I know have more fear in leaving the organization so they stay. From what little I have observed, it is more about fear now than ever before. But not fear of Armageddon, it is fear of disapproval from the real god of Jehovah's Witnesses -- the organization, the corporate structure of the organization that will DF them and throw them out to the evil and wicked apostates.

    This programming is the second most evil thing this organization has done.

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    the entire nation, with its religious leaders and wicked society of people?passed away. Jehovah had executed judgment!

    This generation" experienced all the distress foretold by Jesus and then passed away in an unequaled "great tribulation" on Jerusalem.?Matthew 24:21, 34.

    Thus Vine and Thayer both cite Matthew 24:34 in defining "this generation" (he ge·ne·a´ hau´te) as "the whole multitude of men living at the same time."

    Suddenly, at Jehovah?s own predetermined "day and hour," his fury will be unleashed upon the world?s religious, political, and commercial elements, together with the wayward people who make up this contemporary "wicked and adulterous generation." (Matthew 12:39; 24:36; Revelation 7:1-3, 9, 14)

    See I was not crazy. Pass away was now defined as being executed at Armagedon. Generation was simply defined as people living at the time of the end. The new explanation here offered was that the passage simply then meant that Armagedon would not come until all the sign was fullfilled. The QFR in the same mag. put a different spin on the words by blabbering on about how that noone knows the length of a generation (meaningless by the definition given in the study articles) but yet it is of short duration.

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Big Tex said:

    : But don't you think that most Witnesses now are not interested in the doctrines Alan?

    Absolutely! It's all part of the natural regression of mental faculties that comes from mental enslavement. The Society itself recognizes this by continually dumbing down written material to the point of it being largely almost meaningless 'sound bites'. I tend to think that the Society's writers are personally dumbing down also, running out of steam as they age and come to realize that what they themselves were taught by Rutherford and Freddie is not coming to pass.

    : I mean, it seems to me that, for the most part, most Witnesses now go to meetings and go out in service more out of habit (or momentum) rather than because they really believe these are the last days that began in 1914.

    I agree. From what I've observed, this is particularly evident in the attitudes of JW kids. Most of them have no clue about "the last days". They don't know about "the earthquake sign" etc. etc. Most adult JWs couldn't tell you a thing about 1914 other than that it's the start of the last days.

    : The Witnesses I know have more fear in leaving the organization so they stay. From what little I have observed, it is more about fear now than ever before. But not fear of Armageddon, it is fear of disapproval from the real god of Jehovah's Witnesses -- the organization, the corporate structure of the organization that will DF them and throw them out to the evil and wicked apostates.

    You've hit the nail on the head. You've described what I call The Fundamental Doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses -- the notion that the Governing Body speaks for God and should be obeyed as if God himself were speaking. This in practice puts the words of the Society above the Bible and above God, since everything the Witnesses do and believe is filtered through it. If you're God's unique spokesman, you are God to anyone who listens to you.

    : This programming is the second most evil thing this organization has done. What's the first? AlanF

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex
    What's the first?

    A child must present two eyewitnesses to verify their claims of abuse. Realize that the mechanics of this means that 2 separate adults must stand and watch a child being brutalized and yet not interfere (if they stop the rape, it didn't happen, therefore there is no crime).

    How many children have been harmed by this policy? How many parents have allowed their children to enter into a judicial committee by themselves to "testify"?

    In my opinion, this is the most evil things to come down the Brooklyn pike.

    Chris

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