Is Jesus and Michael the Archangel the same person?

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  • JW Answers
    JW Answers

    The Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus Christ and Michael the Archangel are the same person, and blatently ignore numerous verses and passages within scripture which explain that both Jesus and Michael are two separate persons.

    This video study (linked below) goes into the intricacies of Hebrews chapters 1+2 explaining how the Lord Jesus and Michael are different persons, and looks at the qualities, authority and power at which the Lord Jesus holds and how it is separate from angels including Michael the Archangel.

    Is Jesus and Michael the same person? Watch here

  • TTWSYF
    TTWSYF

    I agree. Michael and Jesus are different persons.

    Jesus-word of God

    Michael- created by the word of God

  • JW Answers
    JW Answers

    Correct. The Jehovah's Witnesses can dislike all they want, at the end of the day, the Bible proves they are incorrect on this subject alone.

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    Michael was one of the archangels from the book of Enoch , jesus is a god introduced first by early Christians as the actual lamb of god then over time evolved to gods son to god himself as part of a trinity.

  • TTWSYF
    TTWSYF

    In the bible, Jesus stated that he was God on more than one occasion.

    Perhaps you've read that Jesus said that HE is the way, HE is the truth, HE is the life. Men must come to HIM to go to the Father. Or if you've seen me, you've seen the father.

    Jesus didn't say look to my teachings for example [although he was a teacher]

    Jesus said 'Come to ME'

    All of the apostles accepted and taught that Jesus was God in the flesh. Known fact

    Arch Angel Michael- Servant of the most high, but a creature like man...although, different from man.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Yez.

    Yez day iz.

    They both am imagularry.

    - Bro. I. B. Elder, SoMBitz

  • TTWSYF
    TTWSYF

    Typical JW response to being confronted with facts are responding with gibberish. Just saying that because it’s true.

    No disrespect intended to you and Nathan

  • freddo
    freddo

    Well ...

    I think the Bible and its statements about Jesus can be arranged in many a way, usually fitting the preconceived beliefs/religion/cult of the person's view.

    My take now is "I don't know", but my best suggestion as to what the bible can be interpreted as saying now is this.

    Jehovah - God the Father

    Jesus - a God subject to Jehovah, a separate being, one with him in purpose but who has now been given full authority by the father to act on his behalf.

    So Jesus can be worshipped, (Heb 1 v 6) preached about in his own name, (Acts 1 v 8) prayed to directly, (Acts 7 v 55 - 60) and called God. (John 20 v 28)

    If you choose to pray to Jehovah it should be in Jesus name.

    MICHAEL - I believe 1 Thess. 4 v 16 can be read in both ways so thanks for your post I am going to do some more research.

  • JW Answers
    JW Answers

    Freddo,

    1 Thess 4:16 comments as this "He will come with a shout, accompanied with the voice of an Archangel, accompanied with the trump of God"

    To say he is an Archangel based on that verse, should also suggest he is a trumpet also, by that logic and theory.

    At no point in scripture does it give off the idea that Jesus and Michael are the same. If you'd like to watch my other video on this, please do so.

    Is Jesus an Angel?

  • myelaine
    myelaine

    Does Jesus ever cease defending israel?

    "Daniel was told that at the beginning of the Great Tribulation Michael would "stand up." But what is meant by "stand up"? Major prophetic portions of Scripture like 2 Thessalonians 2 and Revelation 12 and 13 are greatly impacted by the answer given. The overwhelming majority of commentators suggest that "stand up" means that Michael, in "standing up," will come to Israel's defense. It is usually understood that the one against whom this defense will be made is the Antichrist, who oppresses Israel during the Great Tribulation.


    A highly respected prophetic scholar commenting on Daniel 12:1 states the view this way: "In their distress, the children of Israel are especially aided by Michael, the archangel (Jude 9). As the head of the holy angels, Michael is given the special responsibility of protecting the children of Israel" (See Daniel: The Key to Prophetic Revelation by John Walvoord, p. 283).

    According to this widely held view then, to "stand up" means that Michael will come to Israel's defense while she is experiencing the Great Tribulation.

    With respect for those who champion this position, I nonetheless strongly suggest that the text is teaching precisely the exact opposite. Michael does not "stand up" to help Daniel's people during the Great Tribulation. He "stands still" or "desists" from his normal role as defender of Israel, thus permitting the Great Tribulation to occur.

    In other words, the Great Tribulation is not the cause for Michael to come to Israel's defense. Rather, it is because he desists from defending her that the Great Tribulation occurs.

    The expression "stand up" is the translation of the Hebrew word amad. Amad simply means to "stand." It does not mean to "stand up," and it does not mean to "stand still." It simply means to "stand." If a man seated and inactive were said to amad, he would "stand up." However, if a man already standing and active were said to amad, he would "stand still," or desist, in his activity.

    Daniel had just been told by the angel who was sharing this prophetic vision with him that Michael was actively involved in the defense of Daniel's people. The angel said to Daniel, "But the prince [a fallen angel] of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me" (Dan. 10:13). Michael was actively engaged in helping Israel. And once again the angel said to Daniel, "But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince" (Dan. 10:21).

    What does the word "holdeth" (Hebrew, chazaq) mean? According to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, holdeth can mean "to bind" or "restrain." That means, in context, that the archangel Michael already had a hindering or restraining ministry against the forces of Satan on Israel's behalf. So when it is said that Michael will "stand," it means he will "stand still," "desist," or "cease" from defending Israel.

    This, of course, would be in dramatic contrast to Michael's normal activity described in the words "which standeth [a present, continuous action] for the children of thy people" (Dan. 12:1). In other words, just prior to the Great Tribulation the archangel Michael will cease or desist from what was his historically ongoing responsibility of defending Israel.

    It would make little sense to tell Daniel that Michael was defending his people in Chapter 12 when he had already clearly told him that fact, not once but twice, in Daniel, Chapter 10.

    Rashi, one of Israel's greatest teachers, and a man whose Hebrew scholarship is unexcelled, understood "stand up" (Hebrew, amad) to literally mean "stand still" in Daniel 12:1. He wrote: "The Holy One [a Jewish designation for God], Blessed be He, said to Michael, 'You are silent? You do not defend my children.'"

    Young's Analytical Concordance to the Bible says that amad means "to stand, stand still or fast." And Strong's Concordance cites one of the root meanings of amad as "cease," and one of its definitions as "stand still." A biblical illustration of amad meaning "to be still or desist is, "they...stood still [desisted], and answered no more" (Job 32:16).

    Daniel wrote of Michael, the restrainer, this way: "And at that time shall Michael stand up [literally, stand still or desist from helping Israel], the great prince which standeth [whose normal and continued ministry had been to help Israel]" (Dan. 12:1); and Paul wrote of the restrainer this way: "He who now letteth [restrains] will let [continue his normal restraining ministry], until he be taken out of the way [ceases his normal ministry of restraining]" (2 Th. 2:7). The parallel between the two is conspicuous.

    The apostle Paul clearly had Daniel 12:1 in mind when he wrote 2 Thessalonians 2:7. The clear and compelling allusion to Daniel 12 would indicate that the restrainer is the archangel Michael.1

    Daniel was told, "And at that time [the midpoint of Daniel's seventieth week] shall Michael stand up [cease or desist from defending Israel], the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people [whose normal activity had been to defend them]: and [as a direct result of Michael's lack of restraint] there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time" (Dan. 12:1).

    The "time of trouble" to which the angel refers is elsewhere called "the time of Jacob's [Israel's] troubles."

    (When satan is "thrown to earth" and then identified...he is a man, which means his immediate sphere of influence is greatly diminished. Isaiah 14:12-21.

    If satan can be man, michael can be man too. That's why michael is said to cease defending israel. His immediate sphere of influence is greatly diminished too.)


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