what is the ontlogical trinity

by piledriver 120 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • piledriver
    piledriver

    The Trnity to me means the true nature of God essence,attributes each person of the Trinity is equal The Father The Son and The Holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the Godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father God are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 Jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul

  • freddo
    freddo

    OK, I'll bite.

    Try Matthew 24 v 36 and Acts 7 v 55,56.

  • cofty
    cofty
    That's odd. A few days ago you said... "im pagan ie athiest"
  • freddo
    freddo

    @cofty

    Yeh! I just looked back through piledriver's posts and found that!

  • cofty
    cofty

    It is impossible for anybody to state the trinity simply in their own words without contradicting themselves or falling into heresy.

    The trinity is gibberish

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7
    To become a priest in the orthodox faith one must be able to speak on the Trinity for 5 minutes without expressing more than 17 heresies.
  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    The Catholic Encylopedia - under the sub-heading "The Trinity As a Mystery" says this: "The Vatican Council further defined that the Christian Faith contains mysteries strictly so called (can. 4). All theologians admit that the doctrine of the Trinity is of the number of these." http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm

    Is it a mystery or not? A mystery - by definition - can't be explained.

    If God could appear as a man called Jesus nearly 2000 years ago, what stopped Him from performing the same materialisation 1500 years earlier, and why did He lie to Moses saying that it wasn't possible? (Exodus 33:20)

    A mystery right enough.

    Added: Check out The BINITY. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binitarianism

    When reading the New Testament (Christian scriptures) virtually every time God & Jesus are mentioned, the holy spirit is AWOL!

    Since the evidence pointing to Matthew 28:19 being a corrupted verse is compelling, http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/matthew2819.html (both scripturally & historically) and 1 John 5:7 is widely accepted as spurious, verses mentioning all three parties of the Trinity are noticeable by their absence.

    One reason why Binitarians exist - probably.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Yet questions remain: If Jesus is not God,

    - why is He identified as "Ho Theos" (the God) in scripture?

    - why were early Christians praying to Him?

    - why were early Christians worshiping Him?

    - why were early Christians ascribing to Father and Son equal honor?

    - was there another god with God in the beginning?

    - if everything in the universe was made by Him and for Him; isn't He our Creator?

    - why was Jehovah's name obliterated from the New Testament allowing Jesus' name to be the preeminent name for all to know?

    - how can believers be invited to share their burdens with anyone else but the God of the universe?

    - Did God love the world so much that He actually sent his favorite angel to redeem us? Wow!


  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    The new testament is full of ideas and teachings from the old testament. Many of these ideas we're taken from Canaanite, Babylonian and Egyptian religious practices. Baal Hadad, Marduk both battled the choas monster and so did Jehovah. The first two like other before them we're promoted for their acts to the highest God position lord of lord king of kings. This was also done with the Jesus story.

    But also in these old religions their was still reverence for the Creator Gods ,mother and father. Isis and Osiris in Egypt, El and Ashurah in Cannan and so on. Jehovah is the father god and Mary represents the mother goddess, Isis, Ashurah, Inanna. This is why the catholic church has so much reverance and worship for her. I believe the new testament writers we're trying to fit the father mother and son idea as well as the son becomes exalted all in to the new writings. Jesus the son gets exalted for dieing for our sins but also defeating death and the serpent of choas/evil and so become lord of lords God of gods. By the end of the last book of Revelations he's now the alpha and omega just like Marduk. Then their we're many I believe redactions and other changes made by the church from the early 300s AD on, so now we're left with a convoluted mess of a book called the Bible.

  • cofty
    cofty

    In the new testament we see a gradual process of turning Jesus the man into "god the son".

    Paul - resurrection

    Mark - baptism

    Matthew - conception/birth

    John - pre-human

    Early christians found themselves worshipping Jesus in practice but were embarrassed by what amounted to polytheism. The doctrine of the trinity with its convoluted waffle about substance and essence, and the endless arguments about terms like, ousia, homoousios, hypostasis etc is risible.

    It is impossible to state the trinity simply in your own words without committing a heresy. Go ahead and try it.

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