Ministers are called for consultation regarding Jehovah’s Witness revelations

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  • Not_Culty
    Not_Culty

    https://avoidjw.org/en/news/ministers-are-called-for-consultation-regarding-jehovahs-witness-revelations/

    The Jehovah’s Witnesses branch office in Holbæk does not want to be interviewed, but states that in some cases they go to the authorities.

    The recognized religious community of Jehovah’s Witnesses has an internal set of rules where religious leaders can judge on everything from smoking to killing.

    This is according to a secret manual for the elders – religious leaders of Jehovah’s Witnesses – that TV 2 has in its possession.

    Precisely that fact is a testament that this is a parallel legal community, one of Denmark’s leading experts in religious law believes.

    And now the Social Democrats are calling the responsible ministers for consultation:

    – For us, it is subordinate to what god you believe in. You must comply with the law and we refuse to accept that children and young people should grow up in social control.

    – And therefore, we want the ministers to explain what they are going to do to prevent this phenomenon of a parallel legal system from occurring. And it is both the Minister of the Interior and the Minister for Religious Affairs who must be on the field and who we will convene for consultation on this. It is so vital that we stop it, and when we have a suspicion that something so wrong is happening, we must take political action, says lawyer Trine Bramsen (S).

    “You must comply with the law and we refuse to accept that children and young people should grow up in social control”

    Trine Bramsen, legal counsel (S).

    Trine Bramsen emphasizes that the politicians must check whether the supervisors are operating as they should be, and whether the authorities have the right tools.

    The Minister for Economic and Home Affairs is Simon Emil Ammitzbøll-Bille (LA), and Minister of Culture and Religious Affairs is Mette Bock (LA).

    Expert: This is a parallel society

    According to the elder’s handbook, once it has been proven the rules have been breached, they set up a judicial committee, which ultimately could mean exclusion for a member from the congregation. This may result in the member’s friends and family severing all contact with the outcast.

    Exclusion – or disfellowshipping, as Jehovah’s Witnesses themselves refer to it – must be seen as an expression of love, according to the organization’s own magazine “Watchtower”:

    One of Denmark’s leading experts on religious law, Lisbet Christoffersen, professor at Roskilde University, believes that this judicial system is at odds with the individual’s religious freedoms.

    “It is not recognizing the individual’s religious freedom”

    Lisbet Christoffersen, professor at Roskilde University.

    – Not only for the religious community, but also for the family and all members, one vanishes into thin air. You become non-existent. It is not recognizing the individual’s religious freedom, she says.

    Lisbeth Christoffersen believes that in general, there is a parallel legal community, which can be problematic for several reasons.

    When one expresses their religious freedom within the religious group, the problem here is that they are taking on a general legislative approach that they should not have, she says.

    Lawyer Trine Torp also believes that, like the Social Democratic Party, there is a lack of attention in relation to social coercion and crime within religious communities.

    “They must know that, for example, they are required to use the public legal system for offenses”

    Tine Torp, lawyer (Religious Freedom).

    – This is about ensuring that the authorities are fully aware of what is happening in these societies. And especially if there are children who are part of these societies.

    – One is the moral standards they hold that I think are extreme and dissociate, but what is vital is that they must know that, for example, with regard to offenses, they are required to use the public legal system, says Trine Torp, legal counsel for religious freedom.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses would not interview

    Jehovah’s Witnesses branch office in Holbæk did not want to be interviewed, but wrote in an email that the elders, for example, always go to the authorities in Denmark when it comes to child abuse.

    – It is … dishonest to confuse the secular authorities’ investigation of a crime with the congregation’s internal judicial system. We do not interfere in the secular authorities’ investigation of a case.

    According to the Branch Office, since 2003, Jehovah’s Witnesses in Denmark have advised the elders that all child abuse charges must be reported to the authorities.

    – We have done this consistently, and if appropriate, we can provide documents to the authorities.

    The branch office further writes that if a person is accused of child abuse, the elders will investigate in harmony with the Bible’s guidance.

    If you ask Trine Bramsen, however, it is not a defense that they also comply with Danish legislation:

    – We have one legal system in Denmark, and that is what applies. We do not permit parallel penalties. Therefore, we must make sure to fight it, and then I think it is very serious when children and young people grow up in social control and cannot live the life they want, she says.

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  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    Religious Freedom-- The JW Leaders (GODs) are so accustomed to considering themselves as "above the law". While the USA may give them (and all religions --even the kooky ones) a wide path in the name of "Separation of Church and State", thankfully the rest of the world has a different attitude and approach.

    LOOK OUT WT! THEY'RE COMING AFTER YA!

    We are already seeing their persecution complex get ramped up!

  • sir82
    sir82

    This is according to a secret manual for the elders – religious leaders of Jehovah’s Witnesses –

    that TV 2 has in its possession.

    Rest of article is of course highly significant, especially for those in Denmark...

    But I just gotta say, I love it when stuff is dropped like this, "oh, yeah, we got your secret manual, deal with it."

    All the hoop-jumping, super-duper precautions, "don't letter a sister even see your book long enough for it to get spiral-bound, turn in your copy sooner-than-immediately if you are deleted as an elder, blah blah blah..."

    And it turns out the "secret manual for elders" is as easy to acquire as a nudie club flyer on the Las Vegas strip.

  • ScenicViewer
    ScenicViewer

    From the linked article...

    Exclusion – or disfellowshipping, as Jehovah’s Witnesses themselves refer to it – must be seen as an expression of love, according to the organization’s own magazine “Watchtower”:

    – Family members can show their love for the congregation and for the wrongdoer by respecting the disfellowshipping arrangement, it says.

    This is precisely what Lisbet Christoffersen finds problematic because she believes it is at odds with the individual’s religious freedom.

    – Not only for the religious community, but also for the family and all members, one vanishes into thin air. You become non-existent. It is not recognizing the individual’s religious freedom, she says.

    (Bold added)

    While the Watchtower organization insists on religious freedom for itself, it denies the same religious freedom to it's own followers. One can be disfellowshipped and shunned for simply disagreeing with a concept or an interpretation. Of course JWs will say that df'ing is the "loving" thing to do, per their Organizations controlling guidance.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot
    "According to the Branch Office, since 2003, Jehovah’s Witnesses in Denmark have advised the elders that all child abuse charges must be reported to the authorities."

    Sure they "must" be.

    But are they?

    Not so much, I suspect.

    "The branch office further writes that if a person is accused of child abuse, the elders will investigate in harmony with the Bible’s guidance."

    Notice that they failed to mention that if - in the course of their "investigation" - there aren't two witnesses, the victim/plaintiff/whatever is instructed to STFU under threat of sanctions by the congregation.

  • careful
    careful

    It would be interesting to know how the Danish government views the Roman Catholic Church's internal legal system. It has such a large body of "canon law," that is, a set of rules/laws which comprise "a parallel legal system" within their religion that certain priests spend their entire careers studying canon law. I know one such priest who works in the diocese of a city and is that city's expert on the church's "parallel legal system." Parish priests contact him for advice on how the church should deal with certain internal matters. We can say the same of Orthodox Jews and rabbinic law. Both of these religions have been around a lot longer than the WTS.

    It is interesting that the Danish government is apparently focusing on JWs in this matter. This must be due to ex-JW activism. The RC church and Orthodox Judaism there have no such movements.

  • The Fall Guy
    The Fall Guy

    Are the Danish politicians just picking on the JW religion, or do they intend to apply the same pressure to Islamists etc.?

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot
    sir82 - "...it turns out the 'secret manual for elders' is as easy to acquire as a nudie club flyer on the Las Vegas strip..."


  • Vidiot
    Vidiot
    ScenicViewer - "While the Watchtower organization insists on religious freedom for itself, it denies the same religious freedom to it's own followers."

    I remember when (I was still in at the time) I read something similar regarding freedom of speech in the Wikipedia entry on JWs...

    ...and was gobsmacked to realize that I could not - in good faith - deny it.

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