What Jonah story really teaches

by venus 20 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • venus

    Jonah account as given in the Bible proves the account is illogical, hence written by thoughtless human writer because:

    1) God is shown to be forcing Jonah against his will. (God would not go against the free-will of His children because history shows: He doesn’t punish atheists nor does He do any favors to theists)

    2) Unlike other prophets who prefixed their pronouncements with wordings such as “The word of the Jehovah came to me and said ……” “Jonah simply began by going a day’s journey into the city and then proclaimed, ‘Only forty days more and Nineveh will be overthrown.’ And the people of Nineveh believed in God.” (Jonah 3:4-5) This is impossible because millions of miracles Jesus supposedly performed did not convert people who preferred Barabbas to Jesus.

    3) Even Jesus went wrong with details of Jonah’s account. “For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Mathew 12:40) John says Jesus was in the tomb for a quarter of day (of Friday) + full Saturday because on Sunday before sunrise, “Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark,” Jesus came out. (John 20:1)

    4) Miracle God supposedly performed (keeping Jonah in fish’s belly for three days) converted Jonah. (God would not perform any miracle because earth is filled with miracles. For example, any seed is much more than a physical object because within it exists an invisible software-like-program in which the memory of billions and billions of its future generation remains protected).

  • Phizzy

    The Jonah story is not supposed to be logical, or taken literally, it is a huge Parable.

    The Gospels get a lot of things wrong, contradict each other etc.

    The words supposedly spoken by Jesus are invented by each Gospel writer, who may well not have had a copy of Jonah to refer to, just remembered info.

    I suggest reading a book about how to read the bible, certainly nothing is learned about the various writings that it contains by taking the JW/WT approach.

    The Bible is not inspired, is not a single book, but many writings by many Authors, for example at least two "hands", if not three, are seen in Isaiah, it is also not to be taken literally, none of the Books were written that way in total, if at all.

    Also, the Bible writings do not "Teach" anything, people claim they do, but they are what you wish to make of them.

  • punkofnice

    Venus. Where are you getting your ideas from?

  • venus
    punkofnice, that is an interesting question!

    I get ideas from unlearning, and from inference: for example,

    1) Conflicted religions and scriptures, and God is not doing anything to straighten them out (which means religions and scriptures do not belong to God)

    2) Order and fine-tuning prove existence of laws which in turn existence of Law-Giver. Ill-effects that result from violation of laws which are often felt like suffering is also part of working of Law. Both the results—well-being (when laws are observed) and ill-effects (when laws are violated) are only the part of workings of law, like two sides of a coin. For example, in skillful cooking, delicious dishes are produced which means some laws are perfectly observed. In careless cooking, what you cook is burned and turns black, or food item being turned into carbon, which again means some laws are at work. In other words, this unexpected ill-effect too happened according to some law. Living things contain the element carbon. That is because many organic compounds are present in living things such as carbohydrates, lipids, proteins, nucleic acids. Organic compounds contain both the elements Hydrogen and Carbon besides any other elements that may be present in a compound. Therefore, anything that was once alive that you cook and subsequently burn, will turn black and the charred material will definitely contain the element carbon. The unexpected ill-effects from violating some laws are felt as suffering and as bad. However, suffering helps the humble who would take lessons from it and would be careful in the future to avoid things that led to suffering. For example, a person not careful about being hygienic is finally to suffer from related diseases which would give him a thirst to be hygienic. That means suffering glorifies the well-being.

    3) There will always be things which we will not understand (which means those who want to search, life would be thrilling for which I am the proof)

  • stuckinarut2

    Yep.... the whole "factual account" is kind of let down by the idea of living inside a fish for three days....

    Serioulsy, any biblical believer who takes this as a literal account is down right crazy....

  • blownaway

    That stupid people will believe any story?

  • punkofnice

    Venus - Thanks for the explanation.

    Do you think the Bible is worth bothering with? If so, why is that?

    What about the book of mormon or the rig vedas? as an example.

    I personally think there are irascible truisms in all sorts of writings along with awful misconceptions and untruths. However, having said that.................

    The Bible is an awful cluster-f-word of different writings.

    I'm sorry I ever gave that stinking manure heap of a poor excuse for a book the time of day, really. I'm saddened to see a whole hateful religious culture (that pretends to be loving but really isn't), ooze like excrement out of it.

  • EverApostate

    The Hindu Holy Book Ramayana specifies that Hanuman (Monkey god) plucked out a mountain and flew with it.

    A real competition for Jonah's story.

  • sir82

    For a more sober analysis, try this:


    Too bad Leolaia has "retired" from this forum.

  • tor1500


    This story teaches us you can run but you can't hide from God...he will find you wherever you are & you will do his will, even if you got to spend 3 days in a whale to get your head straight...

    Even a new believer or a re-newed believer can preach the good news...and Jonah preached through-out the city of Ninevah, which was bigger than Manhattan...Must of been the nutrients that the whale had in his tummy that gave Jonah his energy and zealousness for the preaching work.


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