by hooberus 43 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
PRB
I guess that is my next question! Where does it say in the Bible that Jesus was created?
Again why doesn't the Bible use the Greek word for "first created"
(protoktizo), proto meaning first and ktizo meaning created, instead of
firstborn (prototokos) which seems to refer to a position of pre-eminence
rather than the order of birth?
D Dog
Again why doesn't the Bible use the Greek word for "first created"
(protoktizo), proto meaning first and ktizo meaning created, instead of
firstborn (prototokos) which seems to refer to a position of pre-eminence
rather than the order of birth?
Sorry, but you can only say this is isolation of the reference of Jesus being called "son". So whether he is first created or first born is not critical. Since the firstborn son, though, because of Jesus,was given special recognition, "firstborn" became LATER a reference to preeminence...not the other way around.
Had "first-created" been a reference to Jesus where the Bible would elsewhere not consider him the "son" of the "Father" then perhaps you could make that argument that it could not be a reference to his being the first of creation chronologically. But since that's not the case your emphasis is misplaced here.
The Bible makes many references to Jesus, many... Some might be misunderstood or easily taken out of context. But the vast majority of them are quite clear, that being clearly showing us the relationship between these two beings quite fundamentally as "Father" and "son". Any anxious relapse to misfocus on this will simply be a gross error.
Father....son
Father...first born son/first-created son...
Expand from here and you can't go wrong. Starting from somewhere else?
.....no guarantees.
JCanon
JCanon
Since the firstborn son, though, because of Jesus,was given special recognition, "firstborn" became LATER a reference to preeminence...not the other way around.
This is not True
, There are many Old Testament examples of cases where the first-born was not born first. One is Manasseh who was the first one born. Then Jacob (Israel) blesses Ephraim instead of Manasseh and gives him the position of first-born (Gen. 48:13-22). God also declares Ephraim to be His first-born in Jeremiah 31:9, even though
Manasseh was born first.
Another example is with Jacob and Esau. Although Esau was the first one born, Jacob (whose name was change to Israel) received his brother's birthright and his father's blessing and became the first-born.
The nation of Israel was named after him, and the Lord calls Israel His first-born (Ex. 4:22). Here again, first-born seems to refer to rank and privilege, not first in time. The nation of Israel was not the first-born
of a woman and not even the first nation to exist. But God called it the first-born among all the nations.
Could Jesus be the first-born of all creation in the same way?
Other examples:The "first-born of the poor" (Isa. 14:30) means "the poorest of the poor." The "first-born of death" (Job 18:13) means Job's disease was the worst of diseases. The "first-born" of the kings seems mean the highest of the
kings of the earth (Ps. 89:27). David (v.20) was the last one born in his family, but was called the firstborn.
D Dog
Jc,
Your theology has Jesus created. If so then prove it. Stay out of Proverbs.
